ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases
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May i have your opinion about these amino acids patches ?Ericssons 100% Natural Amino Acid Complex Patches | 30 Patches - £12.79
They are very cheap and patches are great taking account the bad digestion, but i have noticed that they lack histidine, arginine, cystine that are present in the platinum amino acids, so i would ask if it's ok if i take the patches and if i take separetely histidine, arginine and cystine and what we can do to absorb better these last 3.
Also is the quantity in the patches enough if we apply one a day or we need higher dosages since we are very depleted ?
Thanks
Canari
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Bith ARL and TEI, if you pay a bit more than the mere result of the analysis, give you a supp advice based on your hair test.
ARL is just the name of the lab.
I would like to know if TEi and ARL have the same quality of result.
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Why dont you try zinc and iron? Calcium should stay the same since zinc increases and iron decreases, magnesium increases due to zinc, sodium increases due to iron, potassium increases due to zinc.Seems like a wise plan.
In that case I should raise magnesium, potassium and sodium. Might use zinc, magnesium. Though that will lower sodium.
I have zinc chelate. Is that a good form to take?
This is mad. Wiss it was more easy.
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Ive read in a lot of places that they are both good, they both don't wash the hair etc. Dr Watts is behind tei and he was dr. Ecks partner and together they came up with all this mineral balancing stuff.
Thanks I'll go ahead and use this. Was going to use it for the electrolytes anyway.
How are you doing these days? Have you made big improvements in recent weeks?
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Yes but @gbolduev says ARL... And as he mentonned 1) that he was practionner of both though not doing it 2) that their programs are not always of trust... What is better? They also have different prescription and sell different products, and ARL seems to have more different ones...
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they're probably not very different in the grand scheme of things
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Good man, I have been experimenting with a million different combinations and things over the past month like crazy lol but still probably the two best is the still the protocol I outlined on page 9 of this thread and the protocol scenes used to recover (copper, magnesium, potassium etc.)
There are a few other things I'm looking at trying like high dose RU+ letrozole and upping betaine HCL to 30 grams a day with zinc finger (only tried small amounts ~500mg).
Do you think you are getting close to being fully recovered?
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Yeah, I'm not that far off now I actually feel great some days waking up again now given how bad I was 2-3 years ago and could barely get out of bed.
I have been making slow improvements ever since I did the fast and RU cycle which was big for me. Like a few others mentioned here my skin isn't 100% back to normal and my adrenaline/cortisol isn't stabilized yet (better but not pre fin yet) meaning in certain stressful situations I don't recover as quick from them which can trigger some negative sides again. So once all of that is 100% gone I would consider recovery otherwise I don't want to lead people down the wrong path.
Positive news and you are on an upward trend which is all you can ask for. You’ll be there soon no doubt.
Hopefully 2018 is the year of the record number of pfs recoveries and we can start to put the condition to bed.
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Yeah it is crazy the improvements not just for me but for many people here over the past 3 months or so. I remember the first 3 years or so of PFS I got no where and just wasted my time and money and stupid useless stuff and now people are improving within months even days now this was unheard of in the past and on other forums so defintely making huge progress, I think 2018 will be strong.
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Could anybody confirm something for me. Given this new zinc finger approach to PFS, is Gbol discounting his progestin theory of finasteride? Or is this just an additional idea of how PFS could arise/ be treated. Could they both be correct simultaneously?
I'm just confused as there was much talk about progesterone receptors being up/downregulated and FIN's progestin activity, but this seems to be have been ignored now.
Could anyone clarify this for me. Does Gbol still stand as firmly in what he has said about prog receptors etc. or is zinc finger theory now more likely to be cause/problem of PFS?
@TubZy @IHateFin @gbolduev
I'm just confused as there was much talk about progesterone receptors being up/downregulated and FIN's progestin activity, but this seems to be have been ignored now.
Could anyone clarify this for me. Does Gbol still stand as firmly in what he has said about prog receptors etc. or is zinc finger theory now more likely to be cause/problem of PFS?
@TubZy @IHateFin @gbolduev
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I honestly have not been following the zinc finger theory at all haha
mainly because it started while i was on a small hiatus on the forum and it would take too much time to be all caught up; however, from what i have been told about it is that it is just a theory on a new approach to fixing PFS not a cure all. may work for some and not for others.the progestin finasteride "theory" is not a theory - that one is a fact; finasteride is a drug that is derived from progesterone and thus it IS a progestin.
im sure he still agrees with the progestin approach thats why he still supports ru and ella for treatment.
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To follow up what Ihatefin said, finasteride is a progestin, this is a fact there is actually a published paper showing exactly how finasteride is made e.g. derived from progesterone. The 5ARi component of it is something way downstream of all the other types of things it does mainly with progesterone, potassium, cortisol etc. so when people keep referring it to as a 5ARi, it simply is not in that class, that is just one of the many things it does and by just focusing on simply "increasing" 5AR directly will never fix the problem (as seen by the overwhelming anecdotal evidence of just trying to increase 5AR).
All of the treatments mentioned in the experimental treatment thread are all related, they just address it in different ways. RU, ella etc. all tank potassium in the cell just like how betaine can also tank potassium in the cell for example. The difference with zinc finger is that is it a much higher up approach. You are literally jumpstarting your entire system from digestion. That is why amino acids like histidine increase HCL (stomach acid) or directly would be adding betaine HCL with electrolytes and this allows you to start retaining minerals and electrolytes again. This gets your metabolism back online. If you see the thread in my signature about "improved health" you can check that out and understand why too. This is why zinc finger is more capable of being able to address multiple issues since it starts so high up in the process compared to something more direct like RU/ella. It really comes down to acidosis vs alkalosis.
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Hair Elements Test - HE (WITH Dr. Amy's Comments)
Just cut my hair and did hair mineral test with site above. Back of my head has some patches lol. Anybody know if this test above is ok?
Also regarding zinc finger, I think the "Eidon Mineral Electrolytes" are crucial for anyone experiencing with it. They seem to really make a difference for me.
Just cut my hair and did hair mineral test with site above. Back of my head has some patches lol. Anybody know if this test above is ok?
Also regarding zinc finger, I think the "Eidon Mineral Electrolytes" are crucial for anyone experiencing with it. They seem to really make a difference for me.