hopeforrecovery log

[heygate]

Nutreval , genova diagonistics.

Cheers...and what system did he use to balance?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

UPDATE:

+Before adding "Berberine + Icariin,"DHT Titan Gel 50%" and "Terminalia Chebula" to my protocol i decides to do a ELLA cycle and after that a RU486 cycle. Aim is to see if i get facial improvements of this (because of very bad fluffy face).

+I deciced to do a 90 Days NoFap too! I know its gonna be hard but i will do this. My longest NoFap was 10 days until now.

 

[MNK99]

-Mine was 45-47 days, and I was travelling a bit and staying with people (so impossible to fap).
-That's good.. but cannot rely on being AWAY to get it done.
-I've done 18-20 days a lot.
-It's shit... I quit coke 2-3 years no prob (probably a problem at first, but barely noteworthy). Definitely made me sad.
-Alcohol, weed, etc... I've thrown away tons of times and have turned down maybe 1000 drinks. Turned down girls, drugs, parties, paid trips... so this is worse and not
as enjoyable as nearly all those things, and yet it is difficult.
-Nofap, pretty hard. ADHD/hypomanic/manic people have probs with that for sure, from personal annecdotes I've read.
-I will be master of my domain.
-For all the things I've quit... this really shouldn't be that hard. It's boredom, anxiety, trying to sleep, or something like that most the time.
-Sometimes "checking if it works", which is stupid.
-It may take 90-180 d to help rewire and fix the habit, but maybe 5 years to fix the total damage to the dopaminergic system (supposedly). That's daunting.
-But all kinds of people have successfully done it, so why not. Some for like 200, 500, 900, 1900 days, etc.
-Blocked tons of stuff on my mac air (unfortunately, some things blocked interfere with business and even school at times (not currently in but will be probably)).
-So I use Tor, etc... but having tor, or other ways around it is also bad, so I uninstall those.
-Working in a public place would probably help.

-It's not the be-all end-all though. I'm sure it helped a lot of people, and it is on my list.... and I'm working on it (keeping all windows/blinds open (it's hot as hell nyways)).
-BUT* people are like: "I cured every single thing ever with nofap!!!". That seems unlikely. I mean for me (psyche/ADHD stuff). But, anything that helps, make longer-term goals easier, i.e. fixing dopamine and reward, and losing the instantaneous self-gratification aspect, can only be helpful. SO may as well.
-every little bit counts. I gotta do it, because citicoline/alpha-gpc, tiny amounts of various things, and nofap, can only edge me closer to a balanced/better state.
-Makes getting girls better for sure, attraction that I actually notice, easier conversations, and I think**** and hope*, less agitation/irritation, etc.

-Honestly, dating apps - make it impossible for a lot of masturbation/sex-enthusiasts too. Relapsed a few times from that (not recently, that shyt is horrible for ADHD anyways, and I need to focus or die).
-I have hooked up come back, and then relapsed (when hours before I was proud of not relapsing). Had sex, and then relapsed.
-Hard for guys growing up in the internet age. Probably even crazier for kids growing up now.
-Wasted time in school on it. I am sure it's bad for mood, and I know it's bad for my insomnia.
-And I feel... it may make me dumber (seeming dumber for a time, not actually dumber as in IQ drop).

-NOTE: There's no need to trip about if it takes 6months 2 years 3 years, etc to completely fix/rewire the system... even if it does, because you can still have good relationships and be 80 85% or whatever. It's just that sex and maybe other benefits (whatever they are, depends person to person, some there may not be much),
will be better/best at that point.
-we aren't trying to be monks.... but discipline can only help.
-~10 days was my max for a long time probably.
-17-20 days no problem on finasteride at times, but that's because I was sick.

-Honestly, doing as well in abstaining as possible, like Walker says is good.
-I think I could easily break my record on some mood stabilizers... but then I'll for sure be dumber, fatter, lazier, less ambitious, sicker.... so one tiny gain (nofap) in lieu of so much health isn't worth it.
-Doing it without any additional supplement/med is ideal.
-I fully expect more insomnia, but I'm used to that... and as I get healthier, those sleep cycles will change and I'll be more "alert/awake/focused" naturally, so have to take good with the bad.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

-Mine was 45-47 days, and I was travelling a bit and staying with people (so impossible to fap).
-That's good.. but cannot rely on being AWAY to get it done.
-I've done 18-20 days a lot.
-It's shit... I quit coke 2-3 years no prob (probably a problem at first, but barely noteworthy). Definitely made me sad.
-Alcohol, weed, etc... I've thrown away tons of times and have turned down maybe 1000 drinks. Turned down girls, drugs, parties, paid trips... so this is worse and not
as enjoyable as nearly all those things, and yet it is difficult.
-Nofap, pretty hard. ADHD/hypomanic/manic people have probs with that for sure, from personal annecdotes I've read.
-I will be master of my domain.
-For all the things I've quit... this really shouldn't be that hard. It's boredom, anxiety, trying to sleep, or something like that most the time.
-Sometimes "checking if it works", which is stupid.
-It may take 90-180 d to help rewire and fix the habit, but maybe 5 years to fix the total damage to the dopaminergic system (supposedly). That's daunting.
-But all kinds of people have successfully done it, so why not. Some for like 200, 500, 900, 1900 days, etc.
-Blocked tons of stuff on my mac air (unfortunately, some things blocked interfere with business and even school at times (not currently in but will be probably)).
-So I use Tor, etc... but having tor, or other ways around it is also bad, so I uninstall those.
-Working in a public place would probably help.

-It's not the be-all end-all though. I'm sure it helped a lot of people, and it is on my list.... and I'm working on it (keeping all windows/blinds open (it's hot as hell nyways)).
-BUT* people are like: "I cured every single thing ever with nofap!!!". That seems unlikely. I mean for me (psyche/ADHD stuff). But, anything that helps, make longer-term goals easier, i.e. fixing dopamine and reward, and losing the instantaneous self-gratification aspect, can only be helpful. SO may as well.
-every little bit counts. I gotta do it, because citicoline/alpha-gpc, tiny amounts of various things, and nofap, can only edge me closer to a balanced/better state.
-Makes getting girls better for sure, attraction that I actually notice, easier conversations, and I think**** and hope*, less agitation/irritation, etc.

-Honestly, dating apps - make it impossible for a lot of masturbation/sex-enthusiasts too. Relapsed a few times from that (not recently, that shyt is horrible for ADHD anyways, and I need to focus or die).
-I have hooked up come back, and then relapsed (when hours before I was proud of not relapsing). Had sex, and then relapsed.
-Hard for guys growing up in the internet age. Probably even crazier for kids growing up now.
-Wasted time in school on it. I am sure it's bad for mood, and I know it's bad for my insomnia.
-And I feel... it may make me dumber (seeming dumber for a time, not actually dumber as in IQ drop).

-NOTE: There's no need to trip about if it takes 6months 2 years 3 years, etc to completely fix/rewire the system... even if it does, because you can still have good relationships and be 80 85% or whatever. It's just that sex and maybe other benefits (whatever they are, depends person to person, some there may not be much),
will be better/best at that point.
-we aren't trying to be monks.... but discipline can only help.
-~10 days was my max for a long time probably.
-17-20 days no problem on finasteride at times, but that's because I was sick.

-Honestly, doing as well in abstaining as possible, like Walker says is good.
-I think I could easily break my record on some mood stabilizers... but then I'll for sure be dumber, fatter, lazier, less ambitious, sicker.... so one tiny gain (nofap) in lieu of so much health isn't worth it.
-Doing it without any additional supplement/med is ideal.
-I fully expect more insomnia, but I'm used to that... and as I get healthier, those sleep cycles will change and I'll be more "alert/awake/focused" naturally, so have to take good with the bad.

Thanks for this!

Sorry but I don't remember. Have you recovered from PSSD or PFS?

 

[MNK99]

Hey man.
So when I was 20 or 21 I took effexor XR.
It caused pssd and I did thankfully recover eventually. Much of my issues (not so much the sexual issues, were my psyche disorders). I did mess up again, last year when I took finasteride. I have come a long way (unbelievable compared to how I was), and am working towards resolution.

I.e. - PSSD=Fixed.
PFS=Fixing.

Meds=terrible.

I'm pretty good but it's hard trying to resolve much simultaneously and for a long time. Seriously, I think some of the bright minds on here could have helped me get a more probable diagnosis, and I could have easily avoided PSSD and maybe even hairloss (med caused, but some of that is ok).

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Hey man.
So when I was 20 or 21 I took effexor XR.
It caused pssd and I did thankfully recover eventually. Much of my issues (not so much the sexual issues, were my psyche disorders). I did mess up again, last year when I took finasteride. I have come a long way (unbelievable compared to how I was), and am working towards resolution.

I.e. - PSSD=Fixed.
PFS=Fixing.

Meds=terrible.

I'm pretty good but it's hard trying to resolve much simultaneously and for a long time. Seriously, I think some of the bright minds on here could have helped me get a more probable diagnosis, and I could have easily avoided PSSD and maybe even hairloss (med caused, but some of that is ok).

How much time did it take to recover from your PSSD?

 

[MNK99]

-Short version: -1.5-2.5years.

-Bro long story short, I do not exactly remember.
-I think it was 2 years or less. There were many comorbid issues (mood, organization, focus, racing thoughts, insomnia, etc). Thought it was severe brain damage... could not articulate it like I can now. Abstaining (substances - alcohol, etc etc). and Nofap did help significantly. It was tough for sure.

-It was long ago.
-As awesome as I am, much better - more comprehendible - safer, and precise advice on Hackstasis I think, regarding PSSD resolution.

-I did not go thru a bunch of supps... mostly just milk thistle/fasted training (weights and running). -I was like 21 and crazed...
-Memory is pretty selective.

-but, as far as PSSD- "I need to go to the urologist/scans/permanent damage" fears --> dissipated and were a distant memory at some point.
-I did worry about "brain damage" for a long long time... but then I realized my true nature.

-I read about permanent side effects on "blackbox warnings" or some other site... while on, and after at my first real job... the rest is kind of a blur from that year.
-I still thought I had anxiety (it that and other stuff tho). So I thought I needed something else for anxiety, did not really and didn't (besides substance abuse).

 

[supernature]

Hormonal route will not cure you liver, nor your hemochromatosis, nor your hairloss. it will cure the AR signaling. But then you will fuck it again. by trying to be a bodybuilder, or trying to solve the hairloss, or by trying to improve skin LOL

It is a never ending process. like on RPF. You fix one thing, fuck another.

...

 

[Troy]

PFS has 2 different routes also with high DHt and low DHT.


For high DHT people they have high prolactin. And need to increase the zinc finger. For low DHT they have low estrogen and need to decrease the zinc finger

Taking steroids downregulates the AR signaling. taking anti DHT like anavar, upregulates AR signaling. AR signaling = zinc cysteine.

So if some one has high DHT< they can sit on DHT and then come off , and be cured. They will feel like totall shit on DHT.


For those with low DHT. they will feel good DHT, testosterone, etc. but they will never be cured on this. They need anti DHT like anavar ,. which they will feel very bad on . and when come off. fixed.

Same thing for cases of progesterone and ella. Progesterone receptor, cortisol receptor and AR= IDENTICAL SIGNALING. SO if you fuck with one you fuck with all.


This is why you can fix and handle PFS with cortisol inducer, cortisol blocker. progesterone inducer, progesterone blocker. AR inducer, AR blocker. SINCE it is an idential receptors. EVEN Serotonin receptor i IDENTICAL to this. they all go up and down together.AT THE SAME TIME.

And this is why some people got cured from saw palmetto and some got fucked form saw palmetto. Some got cured from ella and some got fucked from ella.


Same thing with the minerals route. Some need to increase zinc cysteine, and some need to decrease zinc cysteine by things that bind it. like copper histidine.




ZInc finger theory is correct.


ALL steroid hormones have zinc finger motiff as a receptor))) except for estrogen. IT IS IDENTICAL FOR progesterone AR and cortisol. So when one signaling goes down, all go down. This is why you can screw with it from any of these routes. And that is why we see people restore on progesterone cycles, or on ella, or on dexamethasone cycles. Or on dht cycles, or on anavar cycles. or on saw palmetto cycles.


If you take something as strong as DHT, you are not increasing AR in any way or shape. IN studies they increase number of receptors from ZERO androgen levels. Meaning Low levels. SO when they introduce hormones, zinc finger gets in. But once the hormone is over the limit zinc finger gets out.

Now the things is not to get cured from PFS , but to get cured from all the stuff, since no one want to live with the hairloss. or fatty liver or other stuff.


@TubZy @Troy @bruschi11 @Admiral @Niles @Kiwiii @Goose12 @IHateFin @snowball @barbaar @Jaxx @mattyb @supernature @talkingant


Tubzy may be we can post hormonal cures for this. Like pine pollen vitex. like testosterone progesterone. LIke dexamethasone. LIke progesterone and anti progesterone. like anavar and DHt.

But you need to understand that ARL or TEI does all this precisely by not just regulating the zinc finger, but by doing all other stuff.

And hormonal routes are nothing comparing to what ARL or TEI are doing. This is why people go on ARL, and feel bad first. since they dont care how you feel, or they give you saw palmetto, but you dont take )) they give it you for a reason. to restore you and you not taking it because you know better. just prolongs your suffering.))

Hormonal route will not cure you liver, nor your hemochromatosis, nor your hairloss. it will cure the AR signaling. But then you will fuck it again. by trying to be a bodybuilder, or trying to solve the hairloss, or by trying to improve skin LOL

It is a never ending process. like on RPF. You fix one thing, fuck another.

So with aminos tanking metabolism and decreasing the need for cortisol, would they have the affect of cortisol inhibitors?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

UPDATE:

+ Ella has arrived. I ordered 2 pills. I want to start with 4 days 7.5mg daily( because I had problems by splitting it to 5mg). I already took7.5mg this morning. I will update you!

 

[hopeforrecovery]

UPDATE:

+First day on Ella(7,5mg): I must say that I didnt feel anything if it. I mean nothing bad and nothing good. Sexual symptoms are bad like always, maybe worse but could also be psychological.
Only thing I noticed it's that my face looked better today, I mean not so tired and dark eye bags today. But not sure if this is ella.
I will take my next dose tomorrow.

 

[IHateFin]

UPDATE:

+First day on Ella(7,5mg): I must say that I didnt feel anything if it. I mean nothing bad and nothing good. Sexual symptoms are bad like always, maybe worse but could also be psychological.
Only thing I noticed it's that my face looked better today, I mean not so tired and dark eye bags today. But not sure if this is ella.
I will take my next dose tomorrow.

Some don't feel much on Ella at first so keep it up man! It's all about the snap back.

I took it for one day and felt nothing.. week later I started feeling better n better and took trib once a week with bcomplex and felt better.
Cooncidence? I think not! Lol

I gotta try it again

 

[Troy]

Some don't feel much on Ella at first so keep it up man! It's all about the snap back.

I took it for one day and felt nothing.. week later I started feeling better n better and took trib once a week with bcomplex and felt better.
Cooncidence? I think not! Lol

I gotta try it again

How far have you progressed in your recovery do you think?

 

[IHateFin]

How far have you progressed in your recovery do you think?

im stable and consistent at around 70%
the other week i was on a date and i was 85% man kept getting chubs and i was on a date so i was the damn man that day! so its livable at least

 

[Troy]

im stable and consistent at around 70%
the other week i was on a date and i was 85% man kept getting chubs and i was on a date so i was the damn man that day! so its livable at least

What do you think improved you the most?

And what were you at percentage wise do you think before any treatments?

Thanks for encouraging us all.

 

[IHateFin]

What do you think improved you the most?

And what were you at percentage wise do you think before any treatments?

Thanks for encouraging us all.

Before anything I would say I was at a solid inconsistent 20% if that.. maybe 10%
Plus I went through phenibut dependence and withdraw which made everything so much worse!

I think the ru, Randro, Ella, trib and natural vitE and D in organic olive oil and licorice have done me wonders. Also some bcomplex

 

[Troy]

Before anything I would say I was at a solid inconsistent 20% if that.. maybe 10%
Plus I went through phenibut dependence and withdraw which made everything so much worse!

I think the ru, Randro, Ella, trib and natural vitE and D in organic olive oil and licorice have done me wonders. Also some bcomplex

Did you ever do the electrolytes protocol?

 

[IHateFin]

Did you ever do the electrolytes protocol?

i did not.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

i did not.

Did you suffer from penile shrinkage (in erection) and soft glans too?
If yes did it get better by time?

I have lost so many inches in length and girth (in erect size)it's incredible and still depressing. Always have a hourglass form too.

 

[noprop]

I am convinced you can beat it AS well.
water fasting for longer periods (autophagy and stem cells!) can help AS intermittent fasting.
Going on prog or spinach or soy/quercentin/sodium butyrate could help. Be Patient.