Airplane / High Altitude Cures

[M_Mitchell08]

Hi All-

I’ve seen this before and would be curious if anyone else has noticed a similar trend. When traveling for work, my symptoms tend to disappear when I’m either on the plane or when I’m in a location at higher altitude (Santa Fe, NM). Wasn’t sure if there’s any logic behind a pressurized airplane cabin, flying at a high altitude that could resolve some of the issues? Sounds like I just need to jet set and drink beer for the rest of my life.

 

[Walker]

I experienced the same thing during PFS. I travel a lot for work and still do, but when I would travel, always during the flight symptoms would change. Spontaneous boners, brain fog dissapate, etc. It became less noticeable the more and more I got better, but it always made me wonder what was going on - truly bizarre.

 

[hairsuit]

Definitely noticed the same thing.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Seriously? That’s freaking nuts. @Helen what are your thoughts on this?

 

[MNK99]

@ Walker ... that sounds messed up.
I just try to be on time to stupid flights. I think my first or second flight since I came back home for a bit, next week. Probably my second flight. First post extended fast.
I have a lot of idiots I will need to meet while I'm there, to give a piece of my mind. I just hope I'm not nauseous or too ticked off with people, so I can sleep in peace... and then go deal with bs. need to look at apartments also ideally.... I'd like to make up my mind sooner than later; and not deal with realtors, banks, etc. Just pay a guy... and get it over with. But that may be ambitious in my 4 day trip, with graduations and family events. I hate flying. Always surrounded by heffers, and security throw around my stuff. Either I can't stop thinking, or I never sleep so I can make it on time.

BUT it's all a huge improvement. I couldn't even get a haircut, or pack properly (semi-properly), and could barely shower last time.
If I get hard on the airplane that's ok. If I manage to fall asleep (never happens outside of terrible health - it did when I came here), I will have nightmares for sure.

Also @M_Mitchell08, that's crazy that you feel cured in flying. Maybe I'll feel semi-cured on next flight. Considering it's not my optimal seat selection (the nearest 9 seats empty), I doubt it. What about driving? I feel ok.... sometimes pretty mad. MOstly it's to the gym though. Somewhat elated after... In long drives, just nauseous.

I may try one of those space programs, where they launch you into zero gravity space.... I'm not saying this correctly, you know what I'm saying.

-SO boats make you feel worse? Depends on how high the water level is? And other factors?

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Also @M_Mitchell08, that's crazy that you feel cured in flying. Maybe I'll feel semi-cured on next flight. Considering it's not my optimal seat selection (the nearest 9 seats empty), I doubt it. What about driving? I feel ok.... sometimes pretty mad. MOstly it's to the gym though. Somewhat elated after... In long drives, just nauseous.

You'll know what I'm talking about - feeling cured wise - if it happens. It isn't like a train of thought, but more so actual relief of all symptoms. It doesn't occur when driving only when flying and high altitude. Not sure what causes it.

 

[barbaar]

I've flown a few times with PSSD, can't say I felt any different tbh.

 

[raskolnikov]

That definetely happened to me! My best window since I have PSSD was after travelling by airplane. Lasted some days then things got back to normal PSSD baseline. I had never made the association, but now that makes sense to me

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Flew back last night and same thing happened....

 

[Ocguy]

Has anybody heard of cvac pods? Basically you sit in a capsule and it emulates flight simulation, complete with rapid altitiude and pressure changes.
It's a progressive antiaging, immune boosting, inflammation reducing, red blood cell stimulating modality.

I've done several sessions and it basically cured me to about 50 percent for a while.. but you need to do it 2 to 3 times per week which consists of 3 20 min sessions in succession to see benefits (9 total sessions per week basically ) .. it set me back close to 1k per month and when business was slow I basically stopped, took about 60 days after stopping to go back to baseline

The owner of the place I go to cured her RA with one, So she invested everything into a cvac center, along with bemer mats and a light stim bed..

Anyway, if u can afford it I highly recommend. They are getting more popular just Google "cvac treatment your city"

 

[Continuous Heal]

I have definitely noticed some interaction with PFS and flying. I wouldn't say its isolated to the time in the air, and not always obviously positively.

I have noticed an impact to my gut, and landing with increased sensitivity, erections and libido, however with gut disruptions. I have also at times felt strange in the air. I would love to understand how this interaction works, or at least take some guesses.

 

[Snow1]

I’m doing a 20 hour ride to Hong Kong tomorrow - I’m curious to see if I notice any changes...

 

[hairsuit]

To bump this thread once more...... I’m currently at 37k feet chugging across the blue yonder. Feel so much more clear and driven mentally. Don’t know what it is. Altitude, thinner air, pressurization, no idea, but flying does do something.

 

[Niles]

I’m doing a 20 hour ride to Hong Kong tomorrow - I’m curious to see if I notice any changes...

Long flights with significant time-zone changes do really good things for my PFS. I think the combination of air pressure changes and circadian rhythm reset are what does it for me.

 

[MNK99]

I flew like 6x... (pretty similar or 2hrs + timezones). All it did was enrage me. I prefer my planes empty.
AND I stayed awake 6 days straight ("slept" by 15 sunny windows, sun up at like 5.31-6am). Terrible. No worsening of PFS... not good for mood/insomnia tho, focus??
-zero focus at that time.

 

[Minime]

I flew the other day. Can’t say I noticed anything at all.

 

[MNK99]

Re: - High Alt Correcting some Neuro and Other issues in PFS/ Drug Syndromes

1.
Walker said:I experienced the same thing during PFS. I travel a lot for work and still do, but when I would travel, always during the flight symptoms would change. Spontaneous boners, brain fog dissapate, etc. It became less noticeable the more and more I got better, but it always made me wonder what was going on - truly bizarre.Maybe some relation with hydrostatic pressure... just like climbers using Coca tea back in the day in Peru... to help fight off altitude sickness, some vague relations in the mood regulating (and also sexual function regulating) neurosteroids, that were diminished by 5arII inhibition.

-I offer no conclusions on that, but some of this is interesting, some is relevant:

-2. Studies:
[PDF] Altitude training improves glycemic control
SM Chen, HY Lin, CH Kuo - Chin J Physiol, 2013 - synergyfitness.com.au

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