Any tip with mental sides?

[Pescagrullas]

Hi everyone, first of all sorry for my English. I have suffered PFS for 5 years now , not sure if I have improved but I guess that yes, not bad at sexual sides , libido some days is good, can get a 90% erection easy and my sex with my gf is good. But on the mental sides I am very fucked , I am just, more stupid person, can handle a conversation, can’t remember things ( and I am studying) my feelings are gone , I am like robot, anything make me happy , but the worst thing is the stupid person that I am now, I can’t think, even a simple 2+2 is hard for me, so plis guys, some tips or experiences, is that rservesible? Someone have recovered the mental capabilities?
I m thinking on try R andro, I have tried ella with good results but just some days, and trued part of electrolyte protocol.
Thanks guys, hope we all get out of this

 

[MNK99]

--Fasting an extended period of time not only helped alleviate and quickly eradicated most of my mental symptoms, it also helped me believe that getting better was possible.
--It saved my life. I tried earlier but I was too scared just had surgery and ppl wouldn't leave me alone.... Basically if they believed me it'd be done quicker/ but whatever fuck it.
--It set me up to succeed once again.
--I have mood disorder/ exec fn issues (still pretty sharp, but **super sensitive** to aberrations like Fin. --I fasted pretty quickly but it should have been even quicker, to be honest @Pescagrullas. Recent conversations with newly finished med students, leads me to believe that Accutane and Fin are known to be TERRIBLE for mood disorders...
-- SO If someone with serious shyt anyways... can get better, so can you. --Not to bad... I don't believe I'm GOD 100% of the time/ not trying to fly off buildings or anything.
--Fasting, refeed, Electrolytes*, working out (I did this fasted all year), saved me for sure. And Randro/4andro, ella , Ru486, and some of TMO herbs definitely helped me.
-- Basically cleanse --> set up to optimize your digestive and nervous systems health --> run a year or longer Post Cycle Therapy. Turn things back on, and get better over time, with ***extreme discipline*** and commitment. @Pescagrullas

 

[Pescagrullas]

--Fasting an extended period of time not only helped alleviate and quickly eradicated most of my mental symptoms, it also helped me believe that getting better was possible.
--It saved my life. I tried earlier but I was too scared just had surgery and ppl wouldn't leave me alone.... Basically if they believed me it'd be done quicker/ but whatever fuck it.
--It set me up to succeed once again.
--I have mood disorder/ exec fn issues (still pretty sharp, but **super sensitive** to aberrations like Fin. --I fasted pretty quickly but it should have been even quicker, to be honest @Pescagrullas. Recent conversations with newly finished med students, leads me to believe that Accutane and Fin are known to be TERRIBLE for mood disorders...
-- SO If someone with serious shyt anyways... can get better, so can you.
--Fasting, refeed, Electrolytes*, working out (I did this fasted all year), saved me for sure. And Randro/4andro, ella , Ru486, and some of TMO herbs definitely helped me.
-- Basically cleanse --> set up to optimize your digestive and nervous systems health --> run a year or longer Post Cycle Therapy. Turn things back on, and get better over time, with ***extreme discipline*** and commitment. @Pescagrullas

Thanks for share ur experience man, can I ask how U did the fasting? I have tried intermitent fasting, I try to do exercise but with this permanent fatigue and low mood or motivation is hard , but still I keep doing HITT 3 times per week.
Hope ur surgery was sucesfull man, we have enough with PFS
U took some suplements meanwhile u was doing fasting?
Thanks

 

[MNK99]

-- I mean... It was difficult*. I was on my own most of last 8 yrs... had to go back home for a bit... that was a horrible exp.
--BUt, later they see obviously i still know my stuff, as I got better.
-- Part of it was hard, bc most ppl, incl people around me, older gen do not see anyone just "water fast", like ever. Esp not in Canada and the States.
-- I mean, life was hell before, it got 2% or so better with juice in a week or so... maybe 10% and quickly with water... so... because there was a glimmer of hope or "window" maybe,
-- I just stuck it thru... 26d or so juice, then 31.5 water, 21 water straight, one meal, 10 ish days, several other attempts* were made with juice, but I was still drinking, and
-- Pretty messed up... Water>>>>> Juice In my humble opinion. Both have merits tho*.
-- It was not like a cakewalk, but... it's way way better than a "living hell". Or a state worse than dying (for me), and probably a lot of people here.
--Besides I ran Alternate Day fasting to get below 15 and 16% bodyfat previously, and did cycle and pyramid up and down calories, and did Intermittent Fasting a bit, then more extreme over the last 12-14 years, so I believed in Fasting anyways, and figured to turn on:
-- Autophagy and cleansing processes, may as well stick it out.
-- I couldn't live like that man, I couldn't brush my teeth, shave, shower, buy food, etc anyways 10 months ago.
-- Got lost going to a gym 300m or less from my apartment. Maybe 200m. And also a restaurant like 500m max from apartment.

 

[Pescagrullas]

-- I mean... It was difficult*. I was on my own most of last 8 yrs... had to go back home for a bit... that was a horrible exp.
--BUt, later they see obviously i still know my stuff, as I got better.
-- Part of it was hard, bc most ppl, incl people around me, older gen do not see anyone just "water fast", like ever. Esp not in Canada and the States.
-- I mean, life was hell before, it got 2% or so better with juice in a week or so... maybe 10% and quickly with water... so... because there was a glimmer of hope or "window" maybe,
-- I just stuck it thru... 26d or so juice, then 31.5 water, 21 water straight, one meal, 10 ish days, several other attempts* were made with juice, but I was still drinking, and
-- Pretty messed up... Water>>>>> Juice In my humble opinion. Both have merits tho*.
-- It was not like a cakewalk, but... it's way way better than a "living hell". Or a state worse than dying (for me), and probably a lot of people here.
--Besides I ran Alternate Day fasting to get below 15 and 16% bodyfat previously, and did cycle and pyramid up and down calories, and did Intermittent Fasting a bit, then more extreme over the last 12-14 years, so I believed in Fasting anyways, and figured to turn on:
-- Autophagy and cleansing processes, may as well stick it out.
-- I couldn't live like that man, I couldn't brush my teeth, shave, shower, buy food, etc anyways 10 months ago.
-- Got lost going to a gym 300m or less from my apartment. Maybe 200m. And also a restaurant like 500m max from apartment.

Sorry for the hell u lived... that’s sound so hard, it’s good that now u be better, always make me happy to listen people who improve
Si basically, u just drinker water , but how many long? I didn’t understood so good
Yeah maybe autofafie is the key, hope u get the 100% so many recovers on this forum so it must be possible. Regards

 

[MNK99]

-- I mean 30 days + is pretty good. Maybe I'd be cured at 60 or 70. But* other stuff helped too.
--HOWEVER***... I doubt Herbs and stuff helped me pre fasting.
-I was like 90% a couple mo ago, still edging a long, but not as quick returns as before, but feel good to be alive, even euphoric at times (not as in "high" or manic, but like smiling, meeting people, being useful, normal "high on life" feelings).

 

[Pescagrullas]

I am with a totally different personality, I just pray for this be a chemical change and I will can rescue myself, my own personality after all if someone have recovered of mental sides like that plis just tell, it would be a shoot of happiness.

 

[bruschi11]

-- I mean... It was difficult*. I was on my own most of last 8 yrs... had to go back home for a bit... that was a horrible exp.
--BUt, later they see obviously i still know my stuff, as I got better.
-- Part of it was hard, bc most ppl, incl people around me, older gen do not see anyone just "water fast", like ever. Esp not in Canada and the States.
-- I mean, life was hell before, it got 2% or so better with juice in a week or so... maybe 10% and quickly with water... so... because there was a glimmer of hope or "window" maybe,
-- I just stuck it thru... 26d or so juice, then 31.5 water, 21 water straight, one meal, 10 ish days, several other attempts* were made with juice, but I was still drinking, and
-- Pretty messed up... Water>>>>> Juice In my humble opinion. Both have merits tho*.
-- It was not like a cakewalk, but... it's way way better than a "living hell". Or a state worse than dying (for me), and probably a lot of people here.
--Besides I ran Alternate Day fasting to get below 15 and 16% bodyfat previously, and did cycle and pyramid up and down calories, and did Intermittent Fasting a bit, then more extreme over the last 12-14 years, so I believed in Fasting anyways, and figured to turn on:
-- Autophagy and cleansing processes, may as well stick it out.
-- I couldn't live like that man, I couldn't brush my teeth, shave, shower, buy food, etc anyways 10 months ago.
-- Got lost going to a gym 300m or less from my apartment. Maybe 200m. And also a restaurant like 500m max from apartment.

@MNK99 i speak English and I’m having a hard time understanding what you’re writing here man. Be brief but clear with this guy lol, English is clearly a second language.

You fasted for 26 days on juice then fasted 31 days on water??

That’s not something I’ve heard you say before. All I remember about your fasting last year is like you went 8 days, ate a few days then did like 18 days. Right? Lol I was following you quite a bit last year, I do not remember 30 days of juice followed by 21 days of water. I just remember the water.

You are crazy- so I wouldn’t doubt if you didn’t tell anyone about the juice haha.

@Pescagrullas - you don’t have to go to this extreme based on your symptoms. Maybe start fasting once weekly for 24-36 hours. Consider TEI testing and follow their supplement protocol based on your results.

Maybe start with 5-10 day fast if you have the time put aside to do so. Work on diet strongly- Okinawa diet has been what most of us have been following.

Since sexuality isn’t biggest concern. Look at it like this- you’re sick. Don’t look at this as pfs. Let’s see you get healthy with information we are learning on this site. It will work. If you are persistent, it will work so well.

 

[MNK99]

Fasted a lot bro.
Honestly, thought made sense.
Did well over 20 days water.
Did well over 3 weeks juice last year and then a bit after kept screwing up. Drank didn't refeed properly
Hence after water fasting (which gave me way faster and better results)...I cleaned it up. Juice feasting would take way way too long for me. I didn't really believe in it.
I messed up water fasting maybe 4-5 times. Juice probably 2-3 times.

But definitely did fast on water Jan 6 to Jan end maybe one meal break at some point and then 8 days more. Either 18+8 days 26. Or 20 and 8 .

But also just did 8 days for fun 3 weeks or so ago, pre restocking TEI.
Basically now was just to get ripped.
And also detox vodka. But kept it clean a year straight*** no smoking no drinking.

Now I'm good. Pure, as the driven snow.

Also I can't remember all dates but did try juice 2 weeks to 4 weeks (with 1-2 slip ups most those times), in Oct Nov and December was fucked, Jan was way way better. Like 10 days juice I could say "maybe it will work". 10 days water "I need to keep going".

At the very least 18 days water + 8-10 more so 26-28 days with 1 meal.

If not for family tripping at me I'd go 90 days. Because I don't give a fuck.

Checked notes on fridge and what I posted in Jan severely underated how much fasting was done. Then as got better posted less or mostly sarcastic/trolling comments.

Mostly also to keep it concise.

Definitely 6 weeks + water but not straight. And 6-8 weeks juice but most of that I was still jacked up. Later water fasts because travelled and leaning /digestion. It was worth it for sure (water was). Juice would be fine but it's so tedious and has brutal cleanup and grocery store runs... It's vexxing to me.

 

[bruschi11]

Much more clear and concise bud. Good stuff.

Yea me and you just got the idea of fasting and took it and ran with it. Lol we were so messed up, it didn’t make sense we could get better. So we tried something that sounds crazy and look what happened.

I hope North America will someday be like Russia “every child knows if you’re chronically ill, you go to fasting clinic for 30 days”- Helen.

I just look at people like my grandfather who struggled for last 30 years of his life. 30 years! Because of asshole doctors just prescribe drugs. My grandmother is going through something right now with inability to digest foods. She won’t even consider listening to me.

One of my best friends grew up extremely gifted, smart; athletic. He took accutane in teens and has had dry lips since. Now he’s on BOTH antidepressants and antianxieties. It’s just so difficult looking people in the eye knowing what they are doing to manage their health issues. I’m sure his PAS will end up both shortening and drastically reducing the quality of his life until he joins people like us.

End rant.

 

[bruschi11]

If not for family tripping at me I'd go 90 days. Because I don't give a fuck.
.

Love it. Right now I’m legit using anal fissure as excuse to keep fasting on juice, broths.

“Can you please start eating. You started doing this like 40 days ago.”

“I can’t shit! My asshole will hurt too much!”

Which is the truth. If I start eating I will start making 3-4 large bowel movements a day and possibly open the scab or whatever it is down there haha. But still, I’m glad I have the excuse to extend this cleanse.

I went 24 days on water, 8 days food, 4 days juice/broth, 4 days food, now halfway through another 8 days of broth/juice. So 48 days. Add in another 7 day refeed, 55 day cleanse.

Man I can’t wait to see what happens after this. I’ve done so much stuff. Injected my own urine in my ass during that 24 day fast. Couldn’t tell you how many hot hot magnesium and/or salt baths I’ve done.

We’re “selfish.” But we are smart. We want life the way it was meant to be. We want to be ourselves. We love ourselves and not being ourselves blows. Cannot wait to get there with you bud.

 

[Pescagrullas]

@MNK99 i speak English and I’m having a hard time understanding what you’re writing here man. Be brief but clear with this guy lol, English is clearly a second language.

You fasted for 26 days on juice then fasted 31 days on water??

That’s not something I’ve heard you say before. All I remember about your fasting last year is like you went 8 days, ate a few days then did like 18 days. Right? Lol I was following you quite a bit last year, I do not remember 30 days of juice followed by 21 days of water. I just remember the water.

You are crazy- so I wouldn’t doubt if you didn’t tell anyone about the juice haha.

@Pescagrullas - you don’t have to go to this extreme based on your symptoms. Maybe start fasting once weekly for 24-36 hours. Consider TEI testing and follow their supplement protocol based on your results.

Maybe start with 5-10 day fast if you have the time put aside to do so. Work on diet strongly- Okinawa diet has been what most of us have been following.

Since sexuality isn’t biggest concern. Look at it like this- you’re sick. Don’t look at this as pfs. Let’s see you get healthy with information we are learning on this site. It will work. If you are persistent, it will work so well.

Thanks for your tips mate, and yes, English is not my mather language haha, i can´t handle mental sides, i am just more stupid since finas, less memory, diferent emotional response, i m just other one, not myself, so i am desesperated. I´m gonna try super Andro, (i guess is DHEA only) and hope it works for me, Ella help me a little on mental, but just for a few days, so yes if super andro cycle don´t work for me, i will go on TEI and suplements and i pray for something will work for mental.So plis if anyone have improve on this kind of symptoms, just tell it, it will help me a lot.
Regards for all, hope we all be cured soon!

 

[Pescagrullas]

Hi guys, i am taking 2 pills of Randro per day, still nothing on mental sides as i expected (seens like u get better after cycle) still looking info about mental sides but it´s worried me more and more, i am literally more idiot, can´t even speak sometimes, so plis, if u know just some post or case of fixed mental sides, just post here , i couldnt found some much about that (and yes about reversing sexual sides) would be grateful

 

[MNK99]

-Sometimes R-Andro made me feel less in control. Initially, it turned on some bad emotions. It was slowly edging away at aspects like lessened emotionality.
--one caveat to what I wrote below is that this dose may be too low. I took around 4-6 caps (6 may be too high), after working up from a couple. Maybe 2-3 weeks into the cycle I was at 5 or so caps.

-I am sure I did not like it at first, but I don't know if this is good to use if you feel more labotomy-effects with it. If you try TEI, i hope it's gentler.
--I suffered a long long time before getting any gains....
--IF fasting is possible, that is highly recommended.
--And if not, I'd say for sure use TEI.
-- I can't say that either would be pleasant initially. It's very tough man. Myb something else can be done. Or one has to cleanse... or build up to R-Andro by using the herbs first. IF doing CD's plan (also cleansing and the rest).

-Were you speaking/ thinking just fine before R-Andro. Or, these issues were there but now it has significantly worsened? And you're right, often gains to baseline occur after the cycle . So it may be best to try sticking it out.._ unless you determine it to be too problematic .

 

[wuf]

Hi guys, i am taking 2 pills of Randro per day, still nothing on mental sides as i expected (seens like u get better after cycle) still looking info about mental sides but it´s worried me more and more, i am literally more idiot, can´t even speak sometimes, so plis, if u know just some post or case of fixed mental sides, just post here , i couldnt found some much about that (and yes about reversing sexual sides) would be grateful

I do not get why people do use R Andro in a big amount, like 2-4 pills per day.
If I would jump on R Andro, I would just use half a pill or 1 pill per day, what is the reason to suppress so much our system?
I think even small amount of R Andro would play and do something.
All people I know who used RAndro said it gives bad mood etc..so, take less of that shit and maybe you will have less sideeffects..

 

[vicecaz]

2/4 pills is 200/400mg, it's far from being a big amount. It probably depends on your weight too
At 600mg/day with 1tsp of KCl I didn't feel anything bad from Andro, except dryness. everyone's milage may vary

It comes as caps, not pills so it's pretty difficult to halve in two
I'm surprised you never tried R andro, I thought you were on cd's protocol for years already

Doesnt matter the side effects on cycle if it means a higher baseline post cycle

 

[MNK99]

1st yes, everyone should start slow. NO point starting with the max dose.... and the bottles say 1 capsule for 4andro, and something similar for R-andro.
But if you talk to guys who use it for PFS or otherwise, they say things like: "It's useless below 4-5 caps or so then it becomes too expensive". I don't think it's useless, but those are bodybuilder type guys.

--In general for harm mitigation and reduction from any long term substance, using as low a dose as possible, that is effective is a good rule of thumb.

I do not get why people do use R Andro in a big amount, like 2-4 pills per day.
If I would jump on R Andro, I would just use half a pill or 1 pill per day, what is the reason to suppress so much our system?
I think even small amount of R Andro would play and do something.
All people I know who used RAndro said it gives bad mood etc..so, take less of that shit and maybe you will have less sideeffects..

--Why? For much improved strength gains. ALSO, countering R-Andro's lower estrogen... one can use 4-andro. AFTER all that, giving a month or more... one can take TEI.
--Higher sexual health in terms of E.Q., reversed shrinkage (maybe that was randro, maybe that was fasting... maybe it was partly ru.. maybe electrolytes, who knows really??).
-BUT you're right there is a tradeoff. Bad mood at times, but major strength gains. I'd say on net, that was up there with ostarine, and such. Stronger than VAR str gains for now, but I am ill. And really... cutting/ recomposition is fine and can be done naturally too. I just feel if using for pfs, may as well use things like R-Andro or Var, to their fullest extent. With fasted training. SLowly titrating, being careful, then running a long post-cycle-therapy. --Suppression unless severe, is barely noticable. Or maybe things that don't increase my strength, I don't feel it. --I did go high on randro and 4andro, to fix it quicker, and also it felt natural.... but yes, would never recommend starting at high doses.
--also mega dosed 4-6 pct herbs (TMO) and also took a fair amount of Kingsblood, for a long time. Cycle length plus 2 weeks or so sometimes.

-Also worsened mood and getting from like 30-50 or 30-70% in subsequent cycles (or whatever jump is seen), can be worth it. Worse mood for a few hrs or all day, just work silently if possible, workout first thing in morning, avoid others then go back to normal life. --but yes, not ideal. Other things like TEI did not jack things up like that.
--tho it did cause bloating* a bit, but so does a lot of things. and it got better throughout cycle one. and after felt better on most fronts.

-PCT should help a lot too. --Other things taken, "can be suppressive"/ people will worry about. no issue. BUT I did not take ANYTHING till fasted, and nothing before that months and months (some random supplements, but not even anything I needed outside of pfs).