Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

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esp90 said:
I then Noticed I get symptoms from anything Acidic, So I tried Just potassium chloride, the symptoms came back, I tried just ACV the symptoms came back, Then I tried Sodium Bicarbonate, No symptoms from that, no bloating and actually felt good, and then I started to take Potassium Bicarbonate, And all of the sudden my histamine/salicylate intolerance seemed to go away? WTF? I dont know what to make out of all of this, Does this mean I am in Metabolic acidoses and thats why bicarb helps me?
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OK, so I need some help right now. I did the "Electrolyte protocol" for about 6 weeks and I felt pretty shitty and always bloated, And on top of that I actually started to LOSE HAIR, something I've never ever done before, I have a full head of hair, almost too thick I feel sometimes, but when showering I noticed hair falling into my hands and it made me go ape shit, I stopped the protocol and all supplements, I then Noticed I get symptoms from anything Acidic, So I tried Just potassium chloride, the symptoms came back, I tried just ACV the symptoms came back, Then I tried Sodium Bicarbonate, No symptoms from that, no bloating and actually felt good, and then I started to take Potassium Bicarbonate, And all of the sudden my histamine/salicylate intolerance seemed to go away? WTF? I dont know what to make out of all of this, Does this mean I am in Metabolic acidoses and thats why bicarb helps me? Is it safe to take 1 tsp och sodium bicarb and potassium bircab a day or will that create further problems like metb alkalosis ? I dont want to fuck my self up but what I'm doing now feels good. sorry for the rant.
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You are 4 lows. Which is severe lactic acidosis, this is why bicarbonate helps you. ARL gives tons of calcium and mangnesium in this body chemistry .
 
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esp90 said:
OK, so I need some help right now. I did the "Electrolyte protocol" for about 6 weeks and I felt pretty shitty and always bloated, And on top of that I actually started to LOSE HAIR, something I've never ever done before, I have a full head of hair, almost too thick I feel sometimes, but when showering I noticed hair falling into my hands and it made me go ape shit, I stopped the protocol and all supplements, I then Noticed I get symptoms from anything Acidic, So I tried Just potassium chloride, the symptoms came back, I tried just ACV the symptoms came back, Then I tried Sodium Bicarbonate, No symptoms from that, no bloating and actually felt good, and then I started to take Potassium Bicarbonate, And all of the sudden my histamine/salicylate intolerance seemed to go away? WTF? I dont know what to make out of all of this, Does this mean I am in Metabolic acidoses and thats why bicarb helps me? Is it safe to take 1 tsp och sodium bicarb and potassium bircab a day or will that create further problems like metb alkalosis ? I dont want to fuck my self up but what I'm doing now feels good. sorry for the rant.
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Why dont you follow the program that they gave you over at TE or ARL, electrolytes protocol is mostly about the program and digestion. It is not specific and it wont work for most people without cofactors.
 
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Helen said:
If you follow the program , you will be fine, follow the program exactly, body will readjust. Dont forget , even on fin people experience shedding first
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Thanks. I hear stories of Fin users never recovering from their shed... Could this happen here as well, @Helen ?
 
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Helen said:
This guy is just an ARL practitioner. I dont see how his view on estrogen and copper is opposite of mine.
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He is saying high estrogen = high copper. You are saying estrogen will deplete copper...
 
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At some point Helen will go crazy lol

Helen said:
estrogenic stuff like resveratrol, phytoestrogens. they lower your copper. So this lowers your base estrogen level.


You can read about it. arotamatase is copper dependant . Resveratrol is estrogen, it chelates copper
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Helen said:
taken estrogen from the outside CHELATES COPPER< lowers it.

...They dont understand that hormones in the body are doing exact opposite if taken from outside


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increasing estrogen actually increases progesterone sensitivity, this is contrarian endocrinology and actually already used by some people. This is what resveratrol does, which cant be taken all the time, but can be taken in cycles.
I used to do estrogen cycles for myself. And I experienced only good things from it. but of course, this is for certain body chemistries.
Hormones only need to be used as contrarian. let’s say if you are a slow oxidizer-- you are high copper. If you take estrogen, that will chelate your copper (like resveratrol does). and when you quit estrogen, this will increase your metabolic baseline.
If you take progesterone, that will chelate your zinc. and after quitting progesterone your met rate will be slower than before. Thus, this helps some fast oxidizers.

estrogen will chelate copper from the liver and it raises ceruloplasmin in blood. Read the study where estrogen totally clears liver from copper and puts it into the cells and brain basically fixing prions. Most people when they die have very high copper in their livers and zero copper in their body, since their DHEA production goes down which lowers their estrogen to very low. estrogen binds copper from the liver. Peat is saying that we are losing copper))) LMAO just do the biopsy of your liver and see how you are losing it)))) it will be full of copper and iron. And the only way to chelate copper and iron out of there is to increase estrogen. Ceruloplasmin goes up and then your liver copper goes down, that puts up molybdenum and manganese in there which will release iron thru xanthine oxidase which will be oxidized by ceruloplasmin.
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DId you readthis?

I hope its ok to quote older posts..
 
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Yura said:
He is saying high estrogen = high copper. You are saying estrogen will deplete copper...
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Estrogen is made with the copper, so high estrogen will be in fast oxidation and cerulopasmin will be high. Since body will be bringing copper into the cell to make estrogen
 
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@Yura Copper raises estrogen and estrogen is what is used to make adrenaline. So when you raise your metabolic rate thyroid. Usually body asks for adrenaline and cortisol. If lets say body is deficient in copper when you raise the metabolic rate. then the body will have to use only cortisol and no adrenaline. And to increase conversion from progesterone to cortisol the body will raise ferritin to hold on to iron. Since progesterone to cortisol is the iron enzyme.

This is why if you low on copper and your metabolism runs fast you will retain iron in the cell. And that is why women who are really low ferritin, taking iron ferritin does not go up. Since ferritin will only go up when your metabolism goes up. and it wont go up in hypothyrodism. Same is valid for sodium, sodium wont go up in hypothyrodism, since sodium would increase adrenaline sensitivity and cause faster ventilation , and if you dont have thyroid, you dont have Co2 and body does not want to ventilate, this is why sodium is not absorbed.
 
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@Yura Copper raises estrogen and estrogen is what is used to make adrenaline. So when you raise your metabolic rate thyroid. Usually body asks for adrenaline and cortisol. If lets say body is deficient in copper when you raise the metabolic rate. then the body will have to use only cortisol and no adrenaline. And to increase conversion from progesterone to cortisol the body will raise ferritin to hold on to iron. Since progesterone to cortisol is the iron enzyme.

This is why if you low on copper and your metabolism runs fast you will retain iron in the cell. And that is why women who are really low ferritin, taking iron ferritin does not go up. Since ferritin will only go up when your metabolism goes up. and it wont go up in hypothyrodism. Same is valid for sodium, sodium wont go up in hypothyrodism, since sodium would increase adrenaline sensitivity and cause faster ventilation , and if you dont have thyroid, you dont have Co2 and body does not want to ventilate, this is why sodium is not absorbed.
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Nice.. But it's so complex that I am lost. :D hair test should be in my email any moment can't w8..
 
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@Helen Any idea why sodium bicarbonate would cause headaches and the sensation of increased blood pressure? The headaches are at the base of the skull, like in occipital neuralgia.
 
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Potion said:
@Helen Any idea why sodium bicarbonate would cause headaches and the sensation of increased blood pressure? The headaches are at the base of the skull, like in occipital neuralgia.
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Because sodium bicarbonate is sodium. Sodium usually increases blood pressure
 
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TubZy said:
yes, I actually started once that one guy working with helen reported solid results with it as a fast oxidizer. I'm just a week in but I had some weird type symptoms like headaches and stuff. It doesn't happen with every dose though and seems to be happening less and time goes on hoping its a detox.
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I have been using my H2 machine as well for about 1.5 weeks and getting the same random headaches, just a light pressure in the head. It happens random and indeed not all the time. Beside, I also get some weird liver pressure sometimes.
 
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Ingeno said:
I have been using my H2 machine as well for about 1.5 weeks and getting the same random headaches, just a light pressure in the head. It happens random and indeed not all the time. Beside, I also get some weird liver pressure sometimes.
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i think its detox related, been off it for a week and they went away, but when I was on it they were not consistent, only certain times I would feel the headaches. I think it has to be related to detox IMO. I got some bloat initially but it went away. Hard to say if it was liver related tho
 
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TubZy said:
i think its detox related, been off it for a week and they went away, but when I was on it they were not consistent, only certain times I would feel the headaches. I think it has to be related to detox IMO. I got some bloat initially but it went away. Hard to say if it was liver related tho
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How much H2 water were you drinking daily? @TubZy @Ingeno
 
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