MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

[Helen]

I have been drinking hydrogen water for quite some time now. And have to say only good things about it. It raises metabolism and keeps it high quite nicely.
the reason why I like it, since it is a selective antioxidant. Which actually increases oxidation and lowers hydroxyl radicals at the same time.

This solves all the problems with reverse T3, hashimoto, etc. autoimmune and immune deficit disorders, multiple sclerosis parkinsons. etc

Most people age and get sick because of free metals, mercury aluminum lead, iron copper . Those metals create hydroxyl radicals, which stop your all other antioxidant systems, and switch off metabolism and hydrogen peroxide production. Hydrogen kills hydroxyl radicals, and puts all other systems back online and allows you time to chelate all those free metals in much faster metabolism

Would be interested to know other peoples experiences with hydrogen water or hydrogen gas inhalation

 

[HerrFisch]

Are there cheap versions like this Hydrogen Rich Bottle Water Bottle Water Glass Free Ionizer Drinking Bottle MT | eBay
or would you need some 800$ device

edit, ok I think this Ebay thing is bs

 

[Helen]

I'm using lourdes machine. You can buy a hydrogen tank. this will last you a life time. And it is much cheaper
I tried those magnesium pills and rods. Machine is on another level.

 

[Miggie]

I have been drinking hydrogen water for quite some time now. And have to say only good things about it. It raises metabolism and keeps it high quite nicely.
the reason why I like it, since it is a selective antioxidant. Which actually increases oxidation and lowers hydroxyl radicals at the same time.

This solves all the problems with reverse T3, hashimoto, etc. autoimmune and immune deficit disorders, multiple sclerosis parkinsons. etc

Most people age and get sick because of free metals, mercury aluminum lead, iron copper . Those metals create hydroxyl radicals, which stop your all other antioxidant systems, and switch off metabolism and hydrogen peroxide production. Hydrogen kills hydroxyl radicals, and puts all other systems back online and allow you time to chelate all those free metals in much faster metabolism

Would be interested to know other peoples experiences with hydrogen water or hydrogen gas inhalation

So do you mean adding h2o2 to drinking water? I used to drink a 35% solution a few years back. I added a few drops to a glass of water. At first i got insane energy levels which where out of this world. I started sweating more and my muscles where pumped all day long. I only slept for 4 hours and woke up again feeling energized. However after a few weeks this effect started to fade and i never got it back again. DO you have any explanation how this is possible and through which mechanisms and ofcourse how to make sure the pro metabolic effects stay.

 

[Helen]

NO. it is not hydrogen peroxide. It is molecular hydrogen gas. enriched water. Hydrogen peroxide creates free radicals.

 

[mattyb]

So do you mean adding h2o2 to drinking water? I used to drink a 35% solution a few years back. I added a few drops to a glass of water. At first i got insane energy levels which where out of this world. I started sweating more and my muscles where pumped all day long. I only slept for 4 hours and woke up again feeling energized. However after a few weeks this effect started to fade and i never got it back again. DO you have any explanation how this is possible and through which mechanisms and ofcourse how to make sure the pro metabolic effects stay.

Adding H2O2 + H2O creates H3O+ and HO2-. It is not the same as molecular hydrogen water..

So although you do get additional molecular hydrogen in H3O+ (since it dissociates into H+ and H2O), you also get HO2-, which is the perhydroxyl radical, which then adds to hydroxyl radicals to make superoxide and water. Superoxide will overload SOD and therefore catalase, and your metabolism will crash back down to reality when that happens.

 

[Latapy]

@gbolduev Speaking of waters, what is your opinion about EZ Water (H3O2)? If we can actually compare it to hydrogen water.

 

[mattyb]

Very interesting stuff, gbold.

For people who can't afford the machine, another way to raise molecular hydrogen concentrations is ketosis. Exercising while fasted, or exercising very hard with minimal carbs in your system, will create post-exercise ketosis (just don't ruin it by eating right after exercise). The primary methods of increasing hydrogen synthesis in vivo involve starvation and exercise.

I'm very interested in experimenting with one of these machines, but those prices though - I think my fiance would kill me if I spent 800$ on an esoteric water machine.

I think it will raise chloride demand to balance charges, but that shouldn't be a problem if you are swimming in the ocean. But for us landlocked folks it will likely mean more greens and more salt.

 

[Yura]

maybe you depleted some nutrients with faster metabolism? It looks interesting, but shit I had no money on some hydrogen water machine..

 

[mattyb]

Gbold, have you tested the pH of the water? I'm curious what the pH strips would say.

 

[Helen]

Very interesting stuff, gbold.

For people who can't afford the machine, another way to raise molecular hydrogen concentrations is ketosis. Exercising while fasted, or exercising very hard with minimal carbs in your system, will create post-exercise ketosis (just don't ruin it by eating right after exercise). The primary methods of increasing hydrogen synthesis in vivo involve starvation and exercise.

I'm very interested in experimenting with one of these machines, but those prices though - I think my fiance would kill me if I spent 800$ on an esoteric water machine.

I think it will raise chloride demand to balance charges, but that shouldn't be a problem if you are swimming in the ocean. But for us landlocked folks it will likely mean more greens and more salt.

yes, Hydrogen is very similar to fasting, they both raise ghrelin

 

[Helen]

Gbold, have you tested the pH of the water? I'm curious what the pH strips would say.

My machine does not change the PH of the water all. It does not use electrolysis.

 

[Helen]

maybe you depleted some nutrients with faster metabolism? It looks interesting, but shit I had no money on some hydrogen water machine..

Yura, you should read carefully what I write. The reason metabolism is low is since free radicals are high. Body puts metabolism down on purpose. Then if you get rid of those free radicals with hydrogen water. Your body raises metabolism. And that uses up all your free copper , iron etc , and gets rid of most of your toxicities.

I don't speed up metabolism like Ray Peat suggests, I increase glutathione SOds, and decrease hydroxyl radicals, So the body is ALLOWED to raise metabolism. You seem very confused on how it all works.

If you sit in slow oxidation and you rest. Nothing will happen. You will get more and more toxic in free metals. Since your elimination channels are down. You dont sweat , your bile movement is zero. So you cant get rid of anything.

But it is stupid to raise metabolism since metabolism is slowed to keep free radicals in check. SO what you need to do is scavenge Hydroxyl radicals, and this will allow your metabolism to speed up . You dont speed up metabolism yourself. You seem to keep misreading my whole idea.

 

[mattyb]

My machine does not change the PH of the water all. It does not use electrolysis.

So is it just injecting H2 gas into the water, or what's going on?

 

[Helen]

So is it just injecting H2 gas into the water, or what's going on?

2018 New Lourdes Hydrofix Hydrogen Water Hydrogen Gas Inhaler

This is the best machine on the market right now. You can read the mechanism how they do it.

 

[Helen]

Very interesting stuff, gbold.

For people who can't afford the machine, another way to raise molecular hydrogen concentrations is ketosis. Exercising while fasted, or exercising very hard with minimal carbs in your system, will create post-exercise ketosis (just don't ruin it by eating right after exercise). The primary methods of increasing hydrogen synthesis in vivo involve starvation and exercise.

I'm very interested in experimenting with one of these machines, but those prices though - I think my fiance would kill me if I spent 800$ on an esoteric water machine.

I think it will raise chloride demand to balance charges, but that shouldn't be a problem if you are swimming in the ocean. But for us landlocked folks it will likely mean more greens and more salt.

Matty, just get hydrogen gas tank, It is cheap, and will last you forever

 

[Niles]

Matty, just get hydrogen gas tank, It is cheap, and will last you forever

If you wanted to make hydrogen water with a gas tank, wouldn't you need to rig up a device to compress the gas into water? Otherwise the gas would immediately bubble out, no? Unless you're suggesting hydrogen inhalation with a tank...

I suppose it'd be possible to jerry-rig a sodastream with a hose to an external tank.

 

[mattyb]

If you wanted to make hydrogen water with a gas tank, wouldn't you need to rig up a device to compress the gas into water? Otherwise the gas would immediately bubble out, no? Unless you're suggesting hydrogen inhalation with a tank...

I suppose it'd be possible to jerry-rig a sodastream with a hose to an external tank.

Yes, you need high enough pressure to make this happen, about 400 kpa.

A sodastream would provide enough pressure to make it happen, I think they run around 700kpa or something. Maybe there could be some way to jerry-rig it.

 

[Niles]

Yes, you need high enough pressure to make this happen, about 400 kpa.

A sodastream would provide enough pressure to make it happen, I think they run around 700kpa or something. Maybe there could be some way to jerry-rig it.

sodastreamhack BOOM! lol

I think I'm actually going to do this... for science

 

[mattyb]

sodastreamhack BOOM! lol

I think I'm actually going to do this... for science

Cool!

Just keep in mind that H2 gas is highly explosive, so it has to be in a place where it won't get knocked around or dropped and cool/little temperature fluctuation.