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@johnsmith R-Andro is Ironmaglab's Androsterone prohormone... we believe it's much stronger than IdeaLabs Androsterone, if the latter is even real Andro... some of us have used IdeaLabs and felt worse than true Ironmaglab's Super R-Andro... which we know is real deal

It can be converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) from 17-hydroxyprogesterone, bypassing conventional intermediates such as androstenedione and testosterone. As such, it can be considered to be a metabolic intermediate.
 

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I know this question is completelly out of topic but:
Did anyone ever tried HCG?
It seems to give a big boost to testosterone...
I was reading some "Deca ****" forum and they mentioned it as a possible cure that somebody used.
hereby what they said:

still deca dick after post cycle recovery!

"Try taking a high dose of tribulus with avena sativa, yohimbe and horney goat weed. This fully legal stack will help you out.
Tribulus/Avena Sativa/Yohimbe/Horney Goat Weed."

"HCG is the answer my friend. it will stimulate your endogenous test production, which right now is nonexistant. run it for three to four weeks at 250-500 i.u's/ed. also run clomid at 100mgs/ed for say 4-6 weeks and then at 50mgs/ed for another 4-6 weeks. this should cure you. that is exactly why i will never use deca. its crap. there are too many other good choices. next time just use EQ instead. not nearly as suppressive as deca."

"Eurycoma Longfolia
Murcina Puriens(sp?) my bottle is downstairs), works wonders at restoring sex drive by inhibiting prolactin secretion.
Dostinex + HCG + Nolvadex for 4 weeks and you will be back in business bro ""

Any thoughts?

I tried HCG about 4 weeks after my crash and it stimulated my gyno... I also only did about half the bottle... 2500iu split Into 2 doses... which was likely the mistake... I know HCG stimulates leydig cells so this is interesting to see this plan... I'll have to research further ... thank you for this link
 

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Is there a reason people arent logging their trial runs anymore? So much going on but they seem to be posted on random places on the forum :rolleyes:. Not meant to criticize anyone, really just wondering what happened compared to two months ago
 

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@TubZy @brix So progesterone might be a better for PFS symptoms combined with Androsterone, then Pregnenolone and Androsterone? I was always under the impression Progesterone was better for women and Pregnenolone for men.

Im just confused because what bloom was saying about how any possible supplement that can raise serum T or DHT can actually make you feel worse.

I switched to 5a-dhp, but really, Im just confused.
 
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@TubZy @brix So progesterone might be a better for PFS symptoms combined with Androsterone, then Pregnenolone and Androsterone? I was always under the impression Progesterone was better for women and Pregnenolone for men.

Im just confused because what bloom was saying about how any possible supplement that can raise serum T or DHT can actually make you feel worse.

I switched to 5a-dhp, but really, Im just confused.

Progesterone can be good in small doses as it opposes estrogen and cortisol but at high doses can be anti-androgenic, which is not good for males.
 

johnsmith

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Progesterone can be good in small doses as it opposes estrogen and cortisol but at high doses can be anti-androgenic, which is not good for males.
Why Progesterone instead of Pregnenolone?

Anyone worry about tanking estrogen too much?

I recently read how to dose Pregnenolone properly to avoid anti-androgenic effects. Topically, not orally, and not on testicles. in 10mg doses up to five times a day. I was anxious to try this, but I hate how being post-fin changes the game for us. Were not normal. What works for normal people might not for us.
 
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TubZy

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@TubZy @brix So progesterone might be a better for PFS symptoms combined with Androsterone, then Pregnenolone and Androsterone? I was always under the impression Progesterone was better for women and Pregnenolone for men.

Im just confused because what bloom was saying about how any possible supplement that can raise serum T or DHT can actually make you feel worse.

I switched to 5a-dhp, but really, Im just confused.

Progesterone is the precursor to cortisol and androsterone is the precursor to DHT. When you take them together they work, but when in isolation you run into problems. Cortisol activates DHT just the same reason how cortisol activates thyroid (i.e like how T3 + cortisol works).

So when you take prog + DHT (or androsterone) it works. Take DHT by itself you feel like shit and same goes with prog by itself, your d1ck becomes numb. Cortisol activates DHT so it can work again. This method is just bypassing and going directly downstream, that is why we call it a patch not necessarily a cure.

Fin is a progestin but it can't do the same function as natural prog does in the body like convert to cortisol and neurosteroids hence the thyroid drop (cortisol activates thyroid) and mental sides. So when you take the progestin (fin) away body goes into complete sh1t and progesterone and cortisol receptors are out of balance and stuck while nothing works even though your hormones in serum are normal, but can't work.
 
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joekool

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Is there a reason people arent logging their trial runs anymore? So much going on but they seem to be posted on random places on the forum :rolleyes:. Not meant to criticize anyone, really just wondering what happened compared to two months ago

I can speak for myself that holidays and work prevented me from being very active in my logging and I hope to improve my activity here... I know we're all trying our best to actively log... we'll take it up a notch as your point is noted...
 

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I can speak for myself that holidays and work prevented me from being very active in my logging and I hope to improve my activity here... I know we're all trying our best to actively log... we'll take it up a notch as your point is noted...
Great, thanks! And i know gbold is testing and discussion off forum too, which is fine for now but i hope the conclusions will be shared and discussed in the open soon.
 

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Is there a reason people arent logging their trial runs anymore? So much going on but they seem to be posted on random places on the forum :rolleyes:. Not meant to criticize anyone, really just wondering what happened compared to two months ago

Yes, I have been telling people to post in their logs as they have been doing their updates in discussion threads instead. I may have to start moving posts or copying them to their logs.
 

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Has anyone tried the 400mg of progesterone daily?

Haven't seen anyone trial that..


I have done 300mg/day on a 3 day water fast, and 400mg/day for 4 days on a 7 day water fast. Did not notice much difference from the high dose Prog.
 

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I have had a feeling i might be low in potassium. Are there any precautions in taking this as a supplement? How many of you supplement this? Or what foods are good options for potassium?
 

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