Sonic Hedgehog PFS Log

[Go_faster_Sonic]

@Chapman are you gonna fast at home? how? for how long?

 

[Chapman]

@sonic yeah at home man and just tough it out. That rick guy on swole source did 21 while still working so its possible. You're in a fortunate position to still live with your folks and be under a naturopathic doctor, I think you could do it chap.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

i don't know rick... this guy? >>> Rickys Ride to Baseline & Beyond

 

[Chapman]

That's it man, rick the ruler.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

btw, 21 day water fast working, is just impossible. i'm on raw food and i feel weak.

 

[Chapman]

Tell him that haha

 

[Minime]

Keep telling yourself it's impossible and see how long it takes to recover.

I gotta agree negative thoughts do tend to impede progress. But damn it’s difficult to stay positive when so many bad things are happening. I’m still working on that aspect, and will be throughout recovery I imagine. Trying to find motivation can be a challenge. When I feel optimistic it is usually short term. I tend to go back and forth between optimism and pessimism, but I’m sure that’s consistent with many others.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Guys, is there a book, a practical guide about fasting that someone already read and can suggest?

 

[MNK99]

Dude ev I say is practical. I'll look into it. The video that's on somewhere here. Search Bar --> Fasting Video/ russian hospitals.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Lately, i feel strange, like my chin is becoming smaller or receding but, when i look myself into the mirror, everything seems normal. It’s very weird.
Do you know if these changes can be reversed?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Lately, i feel strange, like my chin is becoming smaller or receding but, when i look myself into the mirror, everything seems normal. It’s very weird.
Do you know if these changes can be reversed?

That is psychological. I can almost guarantee. I thought I l was losing jaw, etc.Then I looked at old picture of me and nothing changed. I still have jaw. Just focus on recovery.

 

[bruschi11]

Eh it ain’t psychological. Face changes happen with this bs. But get the fuck over it. Be strong.

Don’t worry about symptoms like this. Worry about your physical well being And as that improves, everything else will.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Eh it ain’t psychological. Face changes happen with this bs. But get the fuck over it. Be strong.

Don’t worry about symptoms like this. Worry about your physical well being And as that improves, everything else will.

He says "chin becomes smaller". You do not lose bone density in PFS.

You could lose collagen. Yes that can affect face.

I thought my face got fucked up and then I looked at old pictures nothing changed.

 

[Niles]

He says "chin becomes smaller". You do not lose bone density in PFS.

You could lose collagen. Yes that can affect face.

I thought my face got fucked up and then I looked at old pictures nothing changed.

Even though collagen/muscle loss is far more likely, unfortunately some do lose bone density and have gotten dexa scans to prove it :/ not trying to be alarmist, but it can happen and it's important that we recognize it as a legitimate symptom. Either way, it's best not to become too obsessive over individual symptoms, and remineralization does seem possible.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Even though collagen/muscle loss is far more likely, unfortunately some do lose bone density and have gotten dexa scans to prove it :/ not trying to be alarmist, but it can happen and it's important that we recognize it as a legitimate symptom. Either way, it's best not to become too obsessive over individual symptoms, and remineralization does seem possible.

Yea I do not believe that your chin or jaw becomes smaller. PFS it self I do not believe causes this. Guys on propeciahelp and other forums always go nuts with every horror symptom in the book. Most of them have high anxiety 24/7 and high neuroticism. Which causes you to overthink and imagine all the horror symptoms in the world.

I think low estrogen also cause lower bone density. My jaw did not change or fall off when I had crashed estrogen. You just feel like an old man. Ready to snap your back.

 

[Admiral]

Yea I do not believe that. Maybe if you have been on finasteride for years on end. PFS it self I do not believe causes this. Guys on propeciahelp and other forums always go nuts with every horror symptom in the book. Most of them have high anxiety 24/7 and high neuroticism. Which causes you to overthink and imagine all the horror symptoms in the world.

I do not dismiss the possibility but it is very unlikely in my opinion.

Bone density = shape from jaw? Or is just less strong bones?

Eh no, those symptoms are real. I have no fat or collagen in my face anymore. My nose is now crooked, my jawline got way less and I have receding gums all over. Not to mention every wrinkle imaginable. Also have some bones which are shaping up differently. Don’t try to shake it off as it’s something mental. These are my main symptoms. I could care less about my lifeless dick. I just want to look normal again.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Eh no, those symptoms are real. I have no fat or collagen in my face anymore. My nose is now crooked, my jawline got way less and I have receding gums all over. Not to mention every wrinkle imaginable. Also have some bones which are shaping up differently. Don’t try to shake it off as it’s something mental. These are my main symptoms. I could care less about my lifeless dick. I just want to look normal again.

I don't believe your shape of skull/nose/jaw will change from it period. Look at all those trannies taking high estrogen/5AR inhibotors/anti-androgens. Still have a manly skull. This is why they look unnatural as women.

People in bad PFS are neurotic. I was too. I thought my whole body was changing in front of me. Now I put pictures next to each other and there is no difference.

Low estrogen/low hormones can make you hold very little water weight and in the face. Which can cause wrinkles. Bodybuilders cutting for a show also look older when they lower their estrogen and androgens. They also get wrinkly. But then they recover when they have enough estrogen and hormones in their body.

This is probably your problem.

Look if you want to believe your skull changed and nose changed then go do that. I am not convinced.

 

[Slayo]

He says "chin becomes smaller". You do not lose bone density in PFS.

You could lose collagen. Yes that can affect face.

I thought my face got fucked up and then I looked at old pictures nothing changed.

Man you are clueless, i lost collagen, subcutanesu fat, and BONES, my chin bone is like 2 centimetres shorter, and the bones hurted/burned like crazy before shrinking, like i was screaming from the pain.
Bone loss with pfs can be so damn real

 

[RebelWithACause]

Man you are clueless, i lost collagen, subcutanesu fat, and BONES, my chin bone is like 2 centimetres shorter, and the bones hurted/burned like crazy before shrinking, like i was screaming from the pain.
Bone loss with pfs can be so damn real

LOL 2 CM shorter, shut the fuck up mate. You are full of shit.

 

[Walker]

LOL 2 CM shorter, shut the fuck up mate. You are full of shit.

Dude, you are seriously out of line telling people they don't suffer from this. It's a real symptom. I lost half a shoe size when I was in my PFS state, and literally it regained itself over the course of my recovery. Bone loss and demineralization can TOTALLY happen in this situation. The only difference in opinion in this between myself and those at PH/Solve is that it can also be fixed and "recovered" from.

That kind of attitude you display is honestly no way to treat anyone suffering, from anything. Leave that shit to the 5ARI fanboys on the Hair Loss Forums.