Go_faster_Sonic
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yeah, i made this log, where you can see my symptoms. i'll check your log, thanks bud
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I take trazodone as well, without it i could not sleep at all.
did you solve this fasting?
did you solve this fasting?
I dont have a log but check some oft my first and longer posts. I will check your log.
Trazodone is not bad. Also for mental sides. And bloodflow into penis.
I had severe insomnia. Research yourself re better sleep a bit. There are supps which are helping very much. Report back please what you have found yourself.
Okay, checked your symptoms.
I would check what sides this SSRI can have. Read the label. Dont! quit cold turkey. If you quit. Going on SSRI was bullshit, sorry.
Get an ARL or TEI test (hairtest) and an comprehensive stool test (Geneva diagnostics). Generally said, you have 1/3 of my former synptoms. You can be lucky man, really.
If your doc cannot help you with those test, check another one.
What about some bloodwork? Testo, dht, Estradiol, prolactin, Cortisol, serotonin, thyroid Hormons?
I would check what sides this SSRI can have. Read the label. Dont! quit cold turkey. If you quit. Going on SSRI was bullshit, sorry.
Get an ARL or TEI test (hairtest) and an comprehensive stool test (Geneva diagnostics). Generally said, you have 1/3 of my former synptoms. You can be lucky man, really.
If your doc cannot help you with those test, check another one.
What about some bloodwork? Testo, dht, Estradiol, prolactin, Cortisol, serotonin, thyroid Hormons?
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dude; people take up to fucking 8 and 10 drugs for my diagnoses.... OUTSIDE OF PFS. Should not(well that's easy to say), but has happened and will again to many.
I didn't take shit. Fast. I haven't slept in like 20 yrs. And MOST THAT TIME WAS adolescence -- young adulthood. I went to bed 8+am last nite/ this morning/ yesterday morning. 18 hrs ago... that's a joke for me. AND has been since way before pfs.
ALL the smart ppl I know who were on SSRI's, SNRI's, fucked their university/work/relationships/career, etc up.
MOST people = not smart.
SO In general, bad idea.
There are around 2million other reasons. But I will not go into them. Check out my arguments with kiwii and others.
I didn't take shit. Fast. I haven't slept in like 20 yrs. And MOST THAT TIME WAS adolescence -- young adulthood. I went to bed 8+am last nite/ this morning/ yesterday morning. 18 hrs ago... that's a joke for me. AND has been since way before pfs.
ALL the smart ppl I know who were on SSRI's, SNRI's, fucked their university/work/relationships/career, etc up.
MOST people = not smart.
SO In general, bad idea.
There are around 2million other reasons. But I will not go into them. Check out my arguments with kiwii and others.
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Go_faster_Sonic
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3 days ago i started a regimen made of raw food, maybe in the next two days i'll switch in a fast. a doctor is following me.
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-1. I think it's a good idea man. But no antidepressants rite? Do not want to fast with a lot of them.
-2.
Fasting.............. super helpful. ZERo progress for me until that. NOT true of every single person of course, just saying (999th time).
-Doing with your doctor should alleviate any fears. GOod stuff man.
-Both Jacknap and I looked for docs in Canada, for fasting... we couldn't find em. NOW I'll never need to .... (barring unforseeable future stuff).
-MAYBE still an option in future to use fasting doc, if ... just to see what they say. -May need to go to EUrope for that tho.
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-3. Very true at @IHateFin.
"serotonin is not by far the happy nurotransmitter especially considering it puts people in a PFS state called PSSD so whatever protocol you try who knows how this ssri will effect your progress... SSRIs lower dht and 5 alpha reductase... only reason its helping you is most likely due to a side effect some ssris cause which is increasing allopregnenolone which is a nurosteroid that is lowered from finasteride"
-VEry likely "happy" transmitters are the neurosteroids in brain (which are there when androgenic), as well as dopamine. SSRi's are a "catch all", made by marketing.
-Probably very far down the chain of reactions SSRI's "help" ... but still, usually not a good drug.
-Regardless, lots of stuff to try. BUT ONE STEP AT A TIME is needed! Doing or thinking about EVERY treatment in a bad state, isn't possible for a lot of people.
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Fasting.............. super helpful. ZERo progress for me until that. NOT true of every single person of course, just saying (999th time).
-Doing with your doctor should alleviate any fears. GOod stuff man.
-Both Jacknap and I looked for docs in Canada, for fasting... we couldn't find em. NOW I'll never need to .... (barring unforseeable future stuff).
-MAYBE still an option in future to use fasting doc, if ... just to see what they say. -May need to go to EUrope for that tho.
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-3. Very true at @IHateFin.
"serotonin is not by far the happy nurotransmitter especially considering it puts people in a PFS state called PSSD so whatever protocol you try who knows how this ssri will effect your progress... SSRIs lower dht and 5 alpha reductase... only reason its helping you is most likely due to a side effect some ssris cause which is increasing allopregnenolone which is a nurosteroid that is lowered from finasteride"
-VEry likely "happy" transmitters are the neurosteroids in brain (which are there when androgenic), as well as dopamine. SSRi's are a "catch all", made by marketing.
-Probably very far down the chain of reactions SSRI's "help" ... but still, usually not a good drug.
-Regardless, lots of stuff to try. BUT ONE STEP AT A TIME is needed! Doing or thinking about EVERY treatment in a bad state, isn't possible for a lot of people.
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Hi guys,
maybe i’m wrong but… as i’m following my detox protocol - Sonic’s raw food/juice/fasting - this evening i ate my cooked dish (doctor prescribed me one cook dish, in the evening) and it was pork meat.
today i was doing well with anxiety till i ate pork: i started again feeling anxiety and my skin became itchy again.
i looked in the internet and i suppose that the problem is related not just to pork but to histamine rich food, such as cured meat Histamine Intolerance: Are You Being Affected?
are we more susceptible to histamine?
maybe i’m wrong but… as i’m following my detox protocol - Sonic’s raw food/juice/fasting - this evening i ate my cooked dish (doctor prescribed me one cook dish, in the evening) and it was pork meat.
today i was doing well with anxiety till i ate pork: i started again feeling anxiety and my skin became itchy again.
i looked in the internet and i suppose that the problem is related not just to pork but to histamine rich food, such as cured meat Histamine Intolerance: Are You Being Affected?
are we more susceptible to histamine?
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HISTAMINE INTOLERANCE SYMPTOMS | Healing Histamine
I think that histamine play A LOT in our condition(pfs, post ssri, pas...)
I think that histamine play A LOT in our condition(pfs, post ssri, pas...)
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thank you very much!
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I gotta say, I am sleeping 6-7hrs sometimes way more. (Sometimes way less). But my avg is like 5.5 or so. And that's way better than other times of severe stress.
-That stress is getting better obviously, but in certain school situations (long term), it was like 1-4hrs a nite at times, then crashing on sat or sunday for 12hrs.
-and of course, conversely it was far worse --- IN PFS CRASH vs. My Normal / Erratic Life
(in terms of being fatigued, "CFS on steroids" during "PFS-Crash-Days" and until my Extended Fasting.
And I am sure, dosing ella and ru (not together) and microdosing them later, helped bring this to that level. But they are not without issue. I had confusion like up to 6/10 yesterday nite after microdosing in the morning (but slept 4.5 and 5.5. hrs max the last 2 nites). And this was more like 7-8/10 4 months ago (I would say around there).
-I still worked out then and yesterday. Fasted 24h (too extreme, but kind of did for digestion/busy/focused a bit).
-Working out back then with such confusion was probably dangerous, so if that happens to anyone, it would be wise to take it easy, and even just take a few days off if need be.
-I'm sure this will all change as it does for me, but I do wake up without an alarm or hours before at times which is good (but hard to say it will stay like this).
-8 weeks ago, I was setting 20 different alarms (some barely a few hrs, some 4hrs, some 6h from intended sleep time, some like 10h).
-Fasting got rid of so much tiredness too. And restores sleep a bit with short fasts (sometimes, can also make me and others more insomnia-ridden (better than bedridden**).
-Now I can fast 2-3days and still workout on third day but would not recommend this. Seems risky, esp. if you are confused -- so if anyone does that, lift light and for a shorter time.
-That stress is getting better obviously, but in certain school situations (long term), it was like 1-4hrs a nite at times, then crashing on sat or sunday for 12hrs.
-and of course, conversely it was far worse --- IN PFS CRASH vs. My Normal / Erratic Life
(in terms of being fatigued, "CFS on steroids" during "PFS-Crash-Days" and until my Extended Fasting.
And I am sure, dosing ella and ru (not together) and microdosing them later, helped bring this to that level. But they are not without issue. I had confusion like up to 6/10 yesterday nite after microdosing in the morning (but slept 4.5 and 5.5. hrs max the last 2 nites). And this was more like 7-8/10 4 months ago (I would say around there).
-I still worked out then and yesterday. Fasted 24h (too extreme, but kind of did for digestion/busy/focused a bit).
-Working out back then with such confusion was probably dangerous, so if that happens to anyone, it would be wise to take it easy, and even just take a few days off if need be.
-I'm sure this will all change as it does for me, but I do wake up without an alarm or hours before at times which is good (but hard to say it will stay like this).
-8 weeks ago, I was setting 20 different alarms (some barely a few hrs, some 4hrs, some 6h from intended sleep time, some like 10h).
-Fasting got rid of so much tiredness too. And restores sleep a bit with short fasts (sometimes, can also make me and others more insomnia-ridden (better than bedridden**).
-Now I can fast 2-3days and still workout on third day but would not recommend this. Seems risky, esp. if you are confused -- so if anyone does that, lift light and for a shorter time.
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Go_faster_Sonic
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Guys, in your opinion, how long should i wait for, before deciding that this raw food thing that i'm doing is not working?
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I think im gonna wait for one month...
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@Go_faster_Sonic try reading Japanther's stuff on propecia help or they have his recovery post on swole source - he used raw food to cure himself but did it for like 9 months! Clearly had the will power of a saint!
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i read his posts... it requires too much time and i need to live. i need to work... and study... how can i make things faster? intermittent fasting? water fasting?
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Dude do it all
It takes time
And actually I am one ingredient foods.
-AND I WAS whole foods .. whole foods implys vegan and fruits and veg or just veg. And I was there too, and Jpanther too. And lots who needed to REFEED a long time, safely, post long extended fasts.
It took 7 CIRCLES OF HELL FOR PPL TO GET BETTER. Keep that in mind. I'm delayed too a bit and und your frustn.
-58 days plus fasted. 14-28 Juice, messed up 13th and 12th and such days. WHO CAN REMEMBER? I didn't put in log bc felt bad.
-THEN 5d water then 6d water then 20 d water. That's 14+5+6+20 = 45 days some kind of fasting I did and more like 61days. AND really it was more. Breuss too.
-BUT lets say only some was good... so say 50. THERE's no one answer. CD and others did a hell of a lot too. Nina did 30. Bruschi did 20. HELEN did 99999.
-PLUS I also do it everyday. I fasted and ran like everyday 16-21. AND every workout 24-40 yrs old +. YOU CAN FAST a few days.
-RESULTS>ALL.
-SO 50+ days fasting. AND JUICE and all was ok... but I was DEATHLY ILL. HORRIFIC. SO: WATER was BETTER. LIKE way better. And I would have done that but I was scared. Should have done it earlier, but was not a believer.
-Fasted running means intermittent fasting.
-Now it's FASTED LIFTING (LIKE HODGE TWINS) and was since they came online on Youtube.
-AND: I also Do ALternate Fasting so I don't need to count calories. --> IT was somewhat born, but also a ton of work to become this disciplined.
-If there was a 5 word answer it's: WORK. FAST. TRAIN. DETOX. ARL/TEI.
It takes time
And actually I am one ingredient foods.
-AND I WAS whole foods .. whole foods implys vegan and fruits and veg or just veg. And I was there too, and Jpanther too. And lots who needed to REFEED a long time, safely, post long extended fasts.
It took 7 CIRCLES OF HELL FOR PPL TO GET BETTER. Keep that in mind. I'm delayed too a bit and und your frustn.
-58 days plus fasted. 14-28 Juice, messed up 13th and 12th and such days. WHO CAN REMEMBER? I didn't put in log bc felt bad.
-THEN 5d water then 6d water then 20 d water. That's 14+5+6+20 = 45 days some kind of fasting I did and more like 61days. AND really it was more. Breuss too.
-BUT lets say only some was good... so say 50. THERE's no one answer. CD and others did a hell of a lot too. Nina did 30. Bruschi did 20. HELEN did 99999.
-PLUS I also do it everyday. I fasted and ran like everyday 16-21. AND every workout 24-40 yrs old +. YOU CAN FAST a few days.
-RESULTS>ALL.
-SO 50+ days fasting. AND JUICE and all was ok... but I was DEATHLY ILL. HORRIFIC. SO: WATER was BETTER. LIKE way better. And I would have done that but I was scared. Should have done it earlier, but was not a believer.
-Fasted running means intermittent fasting.
-Now it's FASTED LIFTING (LIKE HODGE TWINS) and was since they came online on Youtube.
-AND: I also Do ALternate Fasting so I don't need to count calories. --> IT was somewhat born, but also a ton of work to become this disciplined.
-If there was a 5 word answer it's: WORK. FAST. TRAIN. DETOX. ARL/TEI.
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Unfortunately there is really no quick fix for this, I know - I've been following all 4 forums for the last 18 months hoping for one!
Most people take years to recover we have to put in the effort unfortunately, it's the hand we've been dealt. It's like being dealt a 7 deuce off suit in texas hold'em ( world poker tour anyone??)... you can still win but the odds are against you!
OK bad analogy but you get my point haha.