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@Helen - this is interesting actually, it seems it's possible to work out whether you need more D3 or K2 based on the blood tests for total and active vitamin D levels. This would be very interesting to know if anyone has had these tested? It seems that is a way of testing vitamin K levels...

That's really interesting. Explains well the link between D3 and K2. This is probably why a lot of people with PFS end up with heart issues - due to calcium being retained in tissue, probably as a result of not enough K2, which is probably a result of them not being able to synthesis it properly...

I'm thinking MSM could help here to reduce retained calcium? (believe it's a pre-cursor to SAM-e as well, so it might raise SAM-e - maybe that's why it helps) The Top 5 Health Benefits of MSM for Pain, Skin and Longevity - DrJockers.com On that '8 tips for accutane' video the guy was taking...

I was taking a fairly high dose d3 for a long period (and felt great on it to be honest), but ended up getting chest pains. I now avoid d3 and calcium. Seems to have got better as a result. I wasn't taking vitamin k with it, except for a brief period. I think I should have been taking k with the...

This is the work Mario Vitali did which found vitamin k to be a common factor in people with PFS, CFS etc. He takes vitamin k as part of his stack to feel 'cured'. Machine Learning-assisted Research on CFS

Would be interesting to see some people who've had homecystine levels checked. I remember reading it was speculated to be high post accutane, but I remember at least one person getting it tested on an accutane forum, and the levels were normal, but would be good to see a larger sample. I've...

Maybe, I remember Helen saying the mechanism of accutane would deplete zinc a lot. One very interesting symptom of zinc deficiency that I only found fairly recently is night blindness, and a lot of people (me included) lost night vision after accutane. Also apparently it results in high...

Thought I'd start a thread on this as it seems almost certain this is involved somewhere in all this and would be good to discuss.. Most vitamin K is synthesised from gut bacteria (primarily beneficial e.coli strain I believe). Many people in PFS/PAS etc are missing certain species, so it's...

What did you do to recover?

Can’t remember the users name, but it was on this forum about a year or so ago. He got dietary recommendations, but nothing for supplements, and his mineral ratios were all pretty good. I’ll have a search later

It's great that some people do well on ARL/TEI, and I've found quite a few testimonials on PhoenixRising etc where people have said it's one of the best things they've done, but I've not been able to find anything where people have 'completed the course' and feel great without taking anything...

An Update on Plant Derived Anti-Androgens To be honest it looks as though it actually lowers testosterone, rather than DHT or 5AR. And seeing as increasing testosterone has been shown to lower DHT, so it may actually increase DHT, but I'm just speculating Decline of plasma...

Worth a go following the original protocol I reckon! At least to start with anyway. I'm already taking trib, so next Friday I'll lift some heavy weights, then go for the tomato juice on Sat & Sun and see how it goes..

@Helen yeah I know Licorice also raises cortisol, but it’s also a DHT inhibitor. Do you think the trib & tomato juice protocol is worth a go? I’m looking at what protocols actually have a track record of some success, & this looks to have, at least in terms of libido

Thought I'd get a thread started on this, then if anyone has already tried it, maybe they can chime in, but it would be good to have a few people on here give it a go, then share their experiences. Sounds like it could be worth a go. It seems similar to the licorice tea protocol that someone on...

Got to be worth a go! I'm already taking trib daily, so really it's just a case of adding tomato juice for a couple of days. II'll get a thread started. Be good if a few people can try it definitely

Thanks, I wasn't aware tomato juice in a high dose was a DHT inhibitor. It sounds similar to other recoveries people have made by cycling DHT inhibitors, like cycling licorice or fin. I guess CDnuts method is at least in part cycling DHT inhibitor herbs too (tongkat etc). I'll definitely give...

Anyone here tried this 'tribulus & tomato juice' method? Anyone have a link to it on SPFS? Not really sure exactly why tomato juice would be a benefit, looking at the top vitamins and minerals in it (recommended daily values in %); vitamin C33% biotin24% molybdenum20% vitamin K16% copper12%...

I'm not all that convinced either, but I was hoping it would lead to some recoveries. I think it's still be worth a go, and it's good that lots of people have tried it/are trying it. CDnuts protocol still seems like the method with the most success really

So you're not convinced by it, and plan to try something else moving forward? Do you think you've got any gains from all the balancing programs you've done?