Sonic Hedgehog PFS Log

[Admiral]

I don't believe your shape of skull/nose/jaw will change from it period. Look at all those trannies taking high estrogen/5AR inhibotors/anti-androgens. Still have a manly skull. This is why they look unnatural as women.

People in bad PFS are neurotic. I was too. I thought my whole body was changing in front of me. Now I put pictures next to each other and there is no difference.

Low estrogen/low hormones can make you hold very little water weight and in the face. Which can cause wrinkles. Bodybuilders cutting for a show also look older when they lower their estrogen and androgens. They also get wrinkly. But then they recover when they have enough estrogen and hormones in their body.

This is probably your problem.

Look if you want to believe your skull changed and nose changed then go do that. I am not convinced.

Man you are underrating this. I need to grow a proper beard now just so my weak chin isn’t noticeable. If I shave completely I wouldn’t ever leave my house again. Receding gums only confirm bone loss in face, especially when I have excellent dental care. I also have dozens of fillers and botox injections just to give my skin a boost, of which therapists keep mentioning how bad it is. I was even set as an example for multiple therapists last time around.

You must be in good shape physically. After 14 years of PFS, I’m not.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Dude, you are seriously out of line telling people they don't suffer from this. It's a real symptom. I lost half a shoe size when I was in my PFS state, and literally it regained itself over the course of my recovery. Bone loss and demineralization can TOTALLY happen in this situation. The only difference in opinion in this between myself and those at PH/Solve is that it can also be fixed and "recovered" from.

That kind of attitude you display is honestly no way to treat anyone online. Leave that shit to the 5ARI fanboys on the Hair Loss Forums.

Who are you to tell me what I can do? I give my opinion. It is blunt but I am honest. This is what I think. If you do not like that you can sit in an echo chamber so people repeat your opinions.

I was in very bad state of PFS and never lost a shoesize, still have my chin, still have my jaw, etc. I give my opinion. Because I know what mindset I had in bad PFS time. I was neurotic. Thought my body was changing. In the end it was not bad at all. And I think these scaremongering stories hurt people who are deep in PFS.

 

[Slayo]

LOL 2 CM shorter, shut the fuck up mate. You are full of shit.

People have looked at my pics you dumb shit, as well as friends noticed it too.
You talk about 5sr, dht, etc you don't know shit, this is way beyond.

@HS ban this fucked retarted, we don't want this forum fill of garbage like others

 

[RebelWithACause]

Man you are underrating this. I need to grow a proper beard now just so my weak chin isn’t noticeable. If I shave completely I wouldn’t ever leave my house again. Receding gums only confirm bone loss in face, especially when I have excellent dental care. I also have dozens of fillers and botox injections just to give my skin a boost, of which therapists keep mentioning how bad it is. I was even set as an example for multiple therapists last time around.

You must be in good shape physically. After 14 years of PFS, I’m not.

My skin does not look as good as it did before. It has certain texture. But is unnoticeable to anyone I know - I even asked them. I think you have bad side effects because your hormonal output is low. You seem to have low estrogen symptoms (dry skin, little water weight). I think once you have estrogen working again you will regain some water weight in the face and look better.

I once crashed my estrogen and lost a lot of weight and my face looked horrendous, including wrinkles. Now it looks normal. Very little wrinkles.

 

[Walker]

Who are you to tell me what I can do? I give my opinion. It is blunt but I am honest. This is what I think. If you do not like that you can sit in an echo chamber so people repeat your opinions.

I was in very bad state of PFS and never lost a shoesize, still have my chin, still have my jaw, etc. I give my opinion. Because I know what mindset I had in bad PFS time. I was neurotic. Thought my body was changing. In the end it was not bad at all. And I think these scaremongering stories hurt people who are deep in PFS.

I don't have to be anyone to tell you that you are out of line. Telling someone to fuck off cause your opinion does not match their own reality is as immature and pathetic as it gets. Knowing from my previous interchange with you that you're big in to "red pill", tells me all that I need to know about you. You're an insecure man hiding behind false masculinity that you feel the need to reassure others of at all times. Case in point, this topic and your interactions with people.

Also, kid, I don't need a goddamn echo chamber either, if you've ever read my story or viewed my interactions with people on here or Swole Source, or any other PFS site, you'd know I'm not opposed to conflict or debate. That doesn't include straight up insulting people or making them feel bad. It's called handling your shit like a real man, instead of being the number one alpha badass "red pill". You should try it some time.

If you haven't experienced what someone else is going through, try keeping your mouth shut if you don't have anything to add. It helps you learn without appearing like a total idiot.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I don't have to be anyone to tell you that you are out of line. Telling someone to fuck off cause your opinion does not match their own reality is as immature and pathetic as it gets. Knowing from my previous interchange with you that you're big in to "red pill", tells me all that I need to know about you. You're an insecure man hiding behind false masculinity that you feel the need to reassure others of at all times. Case in point, this topic and your interactions with people.

Also, kid, I don't need a goddamn echo chamber either, if you've ever read my story or viewed my interactions with people on here or Swole Source, or any other PFS site, you'd know I'm not opposed to conflict or debate.

If you haven't experienced what someone else is going through, try keeping your mouth shut if you don't have anything to add. It helps you learn without appearing like a total idiot.

Way to go man. I hope you feel better now.

 

[Slayo]

Who are you to tell me what I can do? I give my opinion. It is blunt but I am honest. This is what I think. If you do not like that you can sit in an echo chamber so people repeat your opinions.

I was in very bad state of PFS and never lost a shoesize, still have my chin, still have my jaw, etc. I give my opinion. Because I know what mindset I had in bad PFS time. I was neurotic. Thought my body was changing. In the end it was not bad at all. And I think these scaremongering stories hurt people who are deep in PFS.

U r a monkey, the fact you don't have it doesn't mean others can't get bone loss.
You think face changes are not possible with pfs ??? Lol check the photos of notna and his brother on ph.

You don't know shit, your knowleadge of pfs is hair loss forum level

 

[Niles]

Who are you to tell me what I can do? I give my opinion. It is blunt but I am honest. This is what I think. If you do not like that you can sit in an echo chamber so people repeat your opinions.

I was in very bad state of PFS and never lost a shoesize, still have my chin, still have my jaw, etc. I give my opinion. Because I know what mindset I had in bad PFS time. I was neurotic. Thought my body was changing. In the end it was not bad at all. And I think these scaremongering stories hurt people who are deep in PFS.

PFS can give you body dysmorphia, like in your case, but it's irresponsible to say that bone loss in PFS isn't real. I can put two photos side-by-side from today and two years ago and weaker jaw, chin, and cheeks are very apparent. I also have to keep a beard so it's not as noticeable. And in the case of @Slayo it was very dramatic - I believe he has shared pictures privately with some and I've heard there is no question that bone structure clearly changed. We don't want to fearmonger, and remineralization is possible, but it also doesn't help anyone to be in denial about this very real symptom.

 

[Admiral]

My skin does not look as good as it did before. It has certain texture. But is unnoticeable to anyone I know - I even asked them. I think you have bad side effects because your hormonal output is low. You seem to have low estrogen symptoms (dry skin, little water weight). I think once you have estrogen working again you will regain some water weight in the face and look better.

I once crashed my estrogen and lost a lot of weight and my face looked horrendous, including wrinkles. Now it looks normal. Very little wrinkles.

Very possible. I have some hope my face will restore somewhat. Will be tougher the longer this takes, though, as there isn’t a cure yet. I also believe the tougher nuts to crack are those with low hormonal output. Seems like most who recovered had just perfect or even highish hormones.

 

[Walker]

Way to go man. I hope you feel better now.

Typical defeatist mechanism, but whatever helps you sleep at night my friend.

I felt fine before. You're the one acting like a child online.

 

[RebelWithACause]

U r a monkey, the fact you don't have it doesn't mean others can't get bone loss.
You think face changes are not possible with pfs ??? Lol check the photos of notna and his brother on ph.

You don't know shit, your knowleadge of pfs is hair loss forum level

I checked his pictures and he holds less water weight. He might of lost some muscle at maxilla. But no bone loss from what I can tell.

He does not look that bad at all.

His pre pictures looked like he hold more water in the face.

I think people need to stop scaring each other. It is not helpful for anyone in PFS. It will make your brain go even crazier.

 

[Slayo]

I checked his pictures and he holds less water weight. He might of lost some muscle at maxilla. But no bone loss from what I can tell.

He does not look that bad at all.

His pre pictures looked like he hold more water in the face.

I think people need to stop scaring each other. It is not helpful for anyone in PFS. It will make your brain go even crazier.

Ok you must be a trol.

I needed to put ice packs on chin and jaw the night bones shrunked, and i was screaming in bed from the pain.

You are not able even to trolling man

 

[MNK99]

Slayo isn't a liar.

 

[RebelWithACause]

OK then we disagree. I hope you recover fast.

 

[Pedro melo]

Tomorrow ill do an RX to my oelivc zone... van an RX show some loss bone? Im feeling pain

 

[HerrFisch]

sorry i’m not into all those PFS people and storys.
Could someone post those pics of those brothers or the 2 year difference photos?
Would like to see how bone loss looks like.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

I wonder if someone else besides me started being obsessive and fearful after the big crash.
I’ll explain in details.
Before the crash, i was more easy going about things like dates, work, scheduling things, future…
After the crash, this happens continuously:
- if a guy shows interest in me or if i become attracted by another guy, my mind becoe full of question and fears like “what if he likes me too and then i change my mind and i cannot get rid of him?” or “what if this guy sticks to me?” etc. etc.
- if i think about looking for a job i start thinking “what if i get the job? i will start being afraid of losing my job!”. The result is that now i’m freaking scared of losing a job that i don’t even have, i’m afraid of looking for a job because i cannot tolerate the uncertainty!
- i have serious problems scheduling things, i start feeling overwhelmed and asking things like “what if something else happen and this appointment must be erased? will then overlap with another appointment?”
- or “how should i plan my future in order to avoid the anxiety that comes from the aforementioned questions? should i look for job in the public administration to feel safe?” and i never, never wanted to have that kind of job! before my crash i was an artist, i did not care that much about stability!
And so on…
It’s like an ocd, or an obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.
To be fair, i was a little neurotic even before finasteride but i was not this crazy.
Did this happen to someone else?

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

hi, it's been a long.
on august i started a sort of raw food regimen, a doctor expert in fasting therapy is taking care of me.
he makes me eat this way and in this precise order:
breakfast: fruit, nuts.
lunch: fruit, salad, cooked vegetables
pre-workout meal: apples and fennels and carrots
dinner: fruit, salad, cooked vegetables, 1 cooked dish (i'm free, but i don't eat grains etc, i only eat meat, or fish, or eggs).

I noticed some improvements that disappeared over time.
At the end of september, tired of the slow/no improvements, i changed things, i tried to get fat to fast, i ate again milk, cheese, pasta, bread... it was a nightmare. i could no more eat that stuff, don't know why. So, the 1st october i went back to the old diet.
Again, some slight improvements with sleep: sometimes, after the effect of my sleep drug ends, i can fall asleep again. On alternate days i don't have breakfast. No other improvements are observed.

I wonder if i can mix this diet with tei...
I'm currently taking:
- escitalopram 0,5mg (i'm reducing it, very slowly)
- trazodone (15 drops before bedtime, to sleep)
- on alternate days, i put on my scalp (red and itchy, expecially when i use computers, don't know why) a lotion that a dermatologist gave me which contains 1% progesterone, 0.02% estrone, 0.03% hydrocortisone butyrate.
Sometimes i take supplements like magnesium or olive oil lavander or teanine for my horrible anxiety. i even take spirulina or chlorella.

a friend of mine told me to add tei to my diet.

And this is it. what do you think?

 

[SwaZ]

hi, it's been a long.
on august i started a sort of raw food regimen, a doctor expert in fasting therapy is taking care of me.
he makes me eat this way and in this precise order:
breakfast: fruit, nuts.
lunch: fruit, salad, cooked vegetables
pre-workout meal: apples and fennels and carrots
dinner: fruit, salad, cooked vegetables, 1 cooked dish (i'm free, but i don't eat grains etc, i only eat meat, or fish, or eggs).

I noticed some improvements that disappeared over time.
At the end of september, tired of the slow/no improvements, i changed things, i tried to get fat to fast, i ate again milk, cheese, pasta, bread... it was a nightmare. i could no more eat that stuff, don't know why. So, the 1st october i went back to the old diet.
Again, some slight improvements with sleep: sometimes, after the effect of my sleep drug ends, i can fall asleep again. On alternate days i don't have breakfast. No other improvements are observed.

I wonder if i can mix this diet with tei...
I'm currently taking:
- escitalopram 0,5mg (i'm reducing it, very slowly)
- trazodone (15 drops before bedtime, to sleep)
- on alternate days, i put on my scalp (red and itchy, expecially when i use computers, don't know why) a lotion that a dermatologist gave me which contains 1% progesterone, 0.02% estrone, 0.03% hydrocortisone butyrate.
Sometimes i take supplements like magnesium or olive oil lavander or teanine for my horrible anxiety. i even take spirulina or chlorella.

a friend of mine told me to add tei to my diet.

And this is it. what do you think?

Get blood tests and tei tests so people can see your situation better.
And hop on tei for sure, im not on it but plenty of people who are on it report great results after time.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Get blood tests and tei tests so people can see your situation better.
And hop on tei for sure, im not on it but plenty of people who are on it report great results after time.

after how much time?